Scammed by @Cloutsy

walkeros · Dec 17, 2022

I tried depositing $20 to test SMM panel using Coinbase Commerce which they say will take around 30 minutes to be credited to the account. So I deposited $20 of BTC but due to volatility the transaction expired.

I contacted support and asked them why my balance wasn't credited but they kept delaying for 3 days. I decided to write @Cloutsy on the forum since chat support kept delaying and he said that the funds were not sent because it expired. However, with Coinbase Commerce, it actually does get sent and is classified as overpayment or underpayment with an option to resolve the payment. It also says on the expired page to contact an email address if funds were already sent... I see some other users had same issue as me.

From Coinbase website:

What is an overpaid payment?
An overpayment indicates that we have detected an amount greater than we expected—the most common reason for this occurring is your customer’s wallet used a significantly different exchange rate than Coinbase Commerce.

If you click on the relevant payment on your merchant dashboard, you'll be able to see the overpayment amount, a button to resolve the payment failure and a button to email your customer (if you've requested the customer submit an email address). Depending on the amount of the overpayment, we recommend either marking the payment as resolved and processing the order, or requesting an address from your client to refund the excess amount in addition to marking it as resolved.

What is an underpaid payment?
An underpayment indicates that we have detected an amount less than what was requested—the most common reason for this occurring is your customer’s wallet used a significantly different exchange rate than Coinbase Commerce.

If you click on the relevant payment on your merchant dashboard, you'll be able to see the underpayment amount, a button to resolve the payment failure and a button to email your customer (if you have requested the customer submit an email address). Depending on the amount of the underpayment, we recommend either marking the payment as resolved and processing the order or requesting your customer send a second transaction for the remaining amount before marking the payment as resolved and processing the order.

I no longer trust this person and would like a refund of $20, the amount I tried depositing to my crypto wallet.

BassTrackerBoats · Dec 22, 2022

Shit List Request Approved

Information For The Accused
@Cloutsy, you have 24 hours to respond to this shit list thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours or we note that you're engaging in any other activities on the forum rather than dealing with this dispute, the decision will be made in favour of the Shit Lister and you will be permanently banned from Black Hat World. In the event that you're permanently banned from the forum, you may send in a support ticket using our support channel only once you've refunded and/or provided what the plaintiff has requested.

If your responses to this dispute do not remain prompt, your account will be banned.

Information For The Accused & The Shit Lister
Please remain professional as name calling, insults, griping, tu quoque, and ad hominem will not be tolerated. Should the Shit Lister resort to this, the dispute will be forfeit; and if the accused resorts to this, the dispute will automatically be in the Shit Lister's favour.

The moderator mediating this dispute is simply trying to fair a resolution to this dispute. Any mod abuse or accusations (e.g., "you're biased", "you're protecting scammers", etc) directed toward the moderator will not be tolerated and may result in an infraction for mod abuse.

Information For Other Members
If anyone else has the same issue with the accused, you may respond so long as you supply evidence in the form of screenshots, videos, etc.

Please bear in mind Shit List rule #4 before responding.

"If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread. Anyone caught doing so will receive an infraction and be reply banned from posting in the thread."

Cloutsy · Dec 23, 2022

The fact that this got approved blows my mind. Why are mods not asking people to PM someone before creating a shitlist?

W/e

His payment was expired. You can see everything here. You never sent the payment. As proved in the screenshot from literally coinbase, it was expired.

Great job wasting everyones time

BassTrackerBoats · Dec 23, 2022

Cloutsy said:
Why are mods not asking people to PM someone before creating a shitlist?

Because this is like the 10th SL thread against you.

That is why.

Get your stuff together or you will not have to on this platform.

Cloutsy · Dec 23, 2022

Expired does not mean over or underpayment. Your clearly confused.

Ill show you what underpayment looks like

Cloutsy · Dec 23, 2022

BassTrackerBoats said:
Because this is like the 10th SL thread against you.

That is why.

Get your stuff together or you will not have to on this platform.

I didnt do anything wrong, not sure what your referring to. Also, its no where near 10 SL threads

BassTrackerBoats · Dec 23, 2022

Cloutsy said:
I didnt do anything wrong, not sure what your referring to. Also, its no where near 10 SL threads

The accused is banned.

Many of the SL threads did not see the light of day but enough is enough.

MisterF · Dec 23, 2022

As this is finished and no more Rule 4.

I'm not sure about Probably The Best SMM Panel on BHW, but it's Probably The Quickest Shitlist on BHW.

roydan · Dec 23, 2022

It's disappointing to see someone shutting down their (pretty successful) BST over $20.
They'll live to regret this awful business decision.

Gogol · Dec 23, 2022

roydan said:
They'll live to regret this awful business decision.

Ooooor… wait for another marketplace seller account to popup soon.

IMO this whole marketplace seller status should not be allowed atall. You wanna sell here? Do what thousands of other members have done. They had to put the efforts in, you should too.

flprocess · Dec 23, 2022

roydan said:
It's disappointing to see someone shutting down their (pretty successful) BST over $20.
They'll live to regret this awful business decision.

BTB said something about multiple shitlists so it could be more than $20, but I guess it will remain a mystery

roydan · Dec 23, 2022

Gogol said:
IMO this whole marketplace seller status should not be allowed atall. You wanna sell here? Do what thousands of other members have done. They had to put the efforts in, you should too.

Buyers tend to go for sellers that are active around the forum rather than those who just bump every 24/72 hours.

flprocess said:
BTB said something about multiple shitlists so it could be more than $20, but I guess it will remain a mystery

In the bottom line, if they had just paid this $20 instead of wasting time and having a bad attitude, they'd still have an active BST.

Gogol · Dec 23, 2022

roydan said:
Buyers tend to go for sellers that are active around the forum rather than those who just bump every 24/72 hours.

Wait, how is that related to what i said?

lucky.sparks · Dec 23, 2022

roydan said:
It's disappointing to see someone shutting down their (pretty successful) BST over $20.
They'll live to regret this awful business decision.

I think it's question about one's attitude against customers, all the seller had to do - was apologize and explain in a manner that would not be so hostile and arrogant and all would be good. The seller should have their sales process in such order that shitlists wouldnt never be opened.

The seller paid ~$65/month to the forum and was closed over just $20, which shows how much administration cares that the marketplace is in order, I cannot say how much I appreciate it after being scammed recently for $900 on another online place.

Deleted member 1232083 · Dec 23, 2022

Sorry for your loss OP

roydan · Dec 23, 2022

Gogol said:
Wait, how is that related to what i said?

Those who bought the marketplace seller chose to not participate in the forum instead of waiting for Jr. VIP.

Gogol · Dec 23, 2022

roydan said:
Those who bought the marketplace seller chose to not participate in the forum instead of waiting for Jr. VIP.

Oh I see what you mean. This does depend on the individual. Some manage to create an “aura” like OP managed to do when he joined the forum (as far as I can remember, he took the marketplace seller account when he joined. I might be wrong.). They can also do lots of shitposts in places like the lounge and become popular quickly.

Android Tipster · Dec 23, 2022

Does earning so much turn a seller into a prick? I'd never risk losing a business I've spent so much time and energy building over a bad attitude.

I never understand these people

Anticitizen1 · Dec 23, 2022

big WOW. something is happening with cloutsy.

INCC · Dec 23, 2022

I'm surprised that nobody mentioned on-chain analysis.

The buyer could put the wallet out and see if the funds were received by the seller.

Coinbase is the gateway issuer so it could have happened that the buyer sent the funds but the seller didn't receive them and the error occurred at the gateway side. In that case, the seller needs to turn to Coinbase with the transaction ID and get it sorted.

Otherwise, the next customer lets the transaction expire and claims $1000 was sent to extort a refund from the seller's side.

The buyer does not transfer the funds directly to the seller, they send it to the gateway that deals with the distribution of funds.

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