(Resolved) Dispute: @periwinkletiger v. @barmaley93

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lost it because seller provided clear evidence
And no, I already addressed you on this per the above regarding PayPal's F&F terms. Many scammers know this, that's likely why F&F is banned on BHW, it's very hard to get funds back. But please feel free to provide your "clear evidence".
 
????? I made 100s of sales??? Wow.... please, please provide this proof - I would love to see it. I never even accessed the account @barmaley93. The lies really have to stop. This shouldn't even be allowed as you're trying to cloud judgement in this thread and save face for potential buyers.

It's one thing to confuse me with another buyer, which I know you're not doing, but it's another to continue to blatantly lie. The above is wild. I see you've done this in your sales thread recently too.
never even accessed the account?

proof that u logged in the acc and verified your bank:

https://prnt.sc/IF33B9SaL4rt
here is proof u listed items and had your first sale:

https://prnt.sc/pelJFj2I0hIx
https://prnt.sc/Ew62O62Br7rE
here is proof that u admitted that it was an issue on your end that caused problems:

https://prnt.sc/7NhNjWP9mVsP
@BassTrackerBoats
please can we close this and delete this dispute as this really hurts my rep and sales gone bad.
 
@barmaley93 You're correct that our team was able to access the account for several days and start setting up. I'm glad you called this out so I can provide the full history below. Sorry about this, this was my oversight, but you have several oversights and I'm fully outlining it:

1. You delivered the account on September 8th.

2. We first accessed the account on September 14th. This took several days as we were setting up and reviewing per your directions.

3. Team warmed up and created warm-up listings, per your directions, from September 18th to September 21st. We listed only 7 items.

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4. One item for under $2 sold on September 20th. This sale wasn't even remembered on my side as it was insignificant and never fulfilled. Still, oversight on my part.

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5. Team continued to warm-up (browsing) for the next few weeks, we then had a phone lock on October 8th and the account still locked on October 13th. We did nothing meaningful with this account.

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6. We stated that we have no idea why eBay locked the account. No one does. Yes, Multilogin could have been a reason, although they said this was not on their end. It could be many reasons, including what I stated below (other users trying to login, new sale triggering a review, eBay just not liking listing activity on the account after so long, etc.).

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Again, entire point of this dispute is that we took responsibility for whatever reason the account locked as there's literally no way to know why, but we needed the original account owner's details to rectify the account. You didn't have these. You didn't even seem to know that there were multiple owners, and obviosuly we didn't either, which should be a major red flag to potential buyers. This is why eBay account providers these days clearly state that original account details are provided - eBay has been locking down accounts more and more and these original account details are crucial. You didn't clearly state in your ad that original account owner details are provided, but you stated that you provided this to us below. If you don't know the full history on your accounts, it's a major problem - they can be stolen or hacked (which is very likely - @barmaley93 will not disclose how he is getting these) and this means that the original owner can recall the account at any time:

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We NEVER made 100s of sales. I'm calling out my oversights (true oversights), time for you to call out yours.

Again, even if we did make 100s of sales (which, again, we did NOT), the reason for suspension isn't the point of this dispute. It's simply that you did not provide original account owner details when delivering this account. You did not deliver this account in full. I keep repeating this over and over as you have not addressed this once in this thread. You told us multiple times that the contact details you originally provided were original:

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That is not correct per the contact details change on August 14th, before we received this account:

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And that is not correct per eBay, who stated that there was an owner even before the above August 14th change. You said your team couldn't get the original owner's details. We have absolutely no idea how many times this account changed hands and how many times the contact details changed. Again, this should be a major red flag to all buyers as the history on the accounts is very unknown. It's a risk we take when buying accounts, but is furthered with this seller:

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We never changed account details on our side aside from phone number and password (as you know and per your directions) as we know this is a trigger to eBay. Again, there is absolutely no way to know why the account locked, we took responsibility for it and that has nothing to do with this dispute.

The point of this dispute is that you stated above that you would be delivering original account owner details and never did. Therefore, the account could not be recovered. You did not deliver this account in full per your terms.
 

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never even accessed the account?

proof that u logged in the acc and verified your bank:

https://prnt.sc/IF33B9SaL4rt
here is proof u listed items and had your first sale:

https://prnt.sc/pelJFj2I0hIx
https://prnt.sc/Ew62O62Br7rE
here is proof that u admitted that it was an issue on your end that caused problems:

https://prnt.sc/7NhNjWP9mVsP
@BassTrackerBoats
please can we close this and delete this dispute as this really hurts my rep and sales gone bad.
the account sent in full and good state.

these evidence above are a strong factor for your responsibility.

I end this discussion here with you and will only speak with admin.

Thanks!
 
@barmaley93 It was not in full. You said you delivered original, did not, still did not provide after multiple follow-ups, and misrepresented.

We also have nothing further and have given everything.
 
And no, I already addressed you on this per the above regarding PayPal's F&F terms. Many scammers know this, that's likely why F&F is banned on BHW, it's very hard to get funds back. But please feel free to provide your "clear evidence".
@barmaley93 - are you conducting business collecting payment using the Friends and Family aspect of Paypal?
 
@barmaley93 - are you conducting business collecting payment using the Friends and Family aspect of Paypal?
thanks for question. NO.

this was a one time mistake, which was several months ago.

we were inspected and warned by a mod to remove this option from our BST, which we already paid for and did.

please, if you wish to have me removed because of it, I will accept it.

thanks
 
@barmaley93 - this looks like the buyer did not get what they paid for.
so why he didn't open a dispute within few days/several days after delivery? but took several months?

also
which part exactly, looks for you, that he didn't receive? please?
thanks!
 
https://prnt.sc/ChDUJ8DYAED5
here he clearly says team is working on the acc and listed first item, several days after delivery.

also confirms limits didn't show up, meaning he received account in the first place as promised, (unlimited limits).
 
Although all of this has been mentioned to you by now at least 3 times each, addressing again below:

so why he didn't open a dispute within few days/several days after delivery? but took several months?
We reported issues to you immediately. See extensive timeline above. You refused to rectify. We then went with our bank/PayPal and fully worked with them to resolve. This took several months until they recently and fully closed both disputes.

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which part exactly, looks for you, that he didn't receive? please?
We can let the mod answer, but we have told you at least 10 times. ORIGINAL OWNER DETAILS. Please read the complaint. You stated you gave these and you never did. You and your team changed the owner details multiple times per eBay which can also cause suspensions. There is no way you don't understand this by now.

also confirms limits didn't show up, meaning he received account in the first place as promised, (unlimited limits).
This has nothing to do with anything. Limits not showing means just that. Once eBay establishes you as a seller, they could uncover very low limits, like 100/$15k. We told you before we purchased that we needed the limits showing on the dashboard, which you promised would happen (again, screenshots given above). eBay did not do this yet.
 
This is the sticking point, @barmaley93.
account delivered as is with account details as is, in a working and good state, we don't have control over what the buyer or as he stated(his team) does, after delivery and not allowed to, as it becomes his product and responsibility.

we only send good working accounts to all our customers here on BHW, we do age stress check to make sure its not suspended and good to go.

no one else complains about this because other customers make sure to use a good system for accounts managing, and strictly follow our guide.

the fact - buyer listed an item successfully, and it was suspended on his end after several weeks from delivery.

so as he already admitted, he had an IP leakage. which got him linked and banned easily, he can find reasons to try and win in his favor all day, we know our product and business, we are here for a few years already with a very good track record.

also,
there is a very easy guideline and refund policy which states that there is no refunds on aged accounts, it's not hard to understand there is some type of risk on buyers end here (and ours, as reputation been hurt heavily on this case, as buyer tries to get his money back regardless)

again, options for buyer were given, as we highly appreciate this forum and customers.
I can give him a 99 usd credit for any service here on BHW.

thanks for your further point of view and elaborating on this case.
 
account delivered as is with account details as is, in a working and good state, we don't have control over what the buyer or as he stated(his team) does, after delivery and not allowed to, as it becomes his product and responsibility.

we only send good working accounts to all our customers here on BHW, we do age stress check to make sure its not suspended and good to go.

no one else complains about this because other customers make sure to use a good system for accounts managing, and strictly follow our guide.

the fact - buyer listed an item successfully, and it was suspended on his end after several weeks from delivery.

so as he already admitted, he had an IP leakage. which got him linked and banned easily, he can find reasons to try and win in his favor all day, we know our product and business, we are here for a few years already with a very good track record.

also,
there is a very easy guideline and refund policy which states that there is no refunds on aged accounts, it's not hard to understand there is some type of risk on buyers end here (and ours, as reputation been hurt heavily on this case, as buyer tries to get his money back regardless)

again, options for buyer were given, as we highly appreciate this forum and customers.
I can give him a 99 usd credit for any service here on BHW.

thanks for your further point of view and elaborating on this case.
@barmaley93 We’ve refuted everything you’ve said in our timeline. You misdelivered the account. You or whomever you got this account from changed the owner details multiple times. I’ve provided conversation screenshots where you’ve stated they were original details, which they were not. You then said you would provide them, then never did once your team couldn’t get them.

Account not delivered per your ad. We are repeating ourselves. Full refund as stated in the dispute, what you are offering is completely unrelated.
 
please can you provide solid proof where ebay stated the account is suspended because the details were (earlier) changed?
 
please can you provide solid proof where ebay stated the account is suspended because the details were (earlier) changed?
@barmaley93 Please see what we have sent you on Skype and what we attached above. Although we blurred it out, the name you sent us in the txt file (starts with a D) was not the name on the information change email (you can see in this thread, “Carrie”, which is what you changed the details from in August). Before Carrie, eBay said there was another name when calling in. No one knows how many names this account has had. You can call them if you need proof, the Takeover Team doesn’t send emails and I doubt chat agents can say anything.
 
if u can provide solid proof that the acc was suspended exactly because of this reason, I will refund you fully.
thanks, have a great week ahead.
 
@barmaley93 You’re still missing the point. You failed to completely provide information for this account. This doesn’t have to do with us proving the point of this suspension, which we’re going to do again below regardless. Even if the account wasn’t suspended, this dispute would still come up as we need the original owner’s details to operate this account.

The account can no longer be accessed because the credentials were reverted by eBay. There’s no notification of suspension, this is done quietly by the Takeover Team. Of course they won’t inform the suspected person taking over the account. They sent an email but it went to the original owner’s email address. You can only (1) access the original owner’s email or (2) call to find out exactly what’s going on with the account.

We have already provided all proof in this thread, including proof that the account was locked (unable to login, credentials no longer work, account not a registered user). This isn’t a typical selling suspension, etc. so there’s no suspension email. We provided information on the owners you gave us. We’re not recording a call and posting it here unless that’s required by the mod.

Again, whether or not you feel you have enough information, the fact of the matter is you did not provide original owner details. You still aren’t throughout this thread. This is required for eBay accounts at times. Please stop asking us for proof after proof when we have given you everything. Please read and understand the concern. Provide full information on your accounts or don’t sell them.
 
we send out a tested and healthy product.
account was sent to you in a working and good state, you and your team were in full control and possession, you got it locked and banned on your end, admitting you had operational (IP leak) issues on your end.

look,
you seem like a very literate and intelligent person by the way you communicate, you knew you purchased a stealth account, which is not in your personal name, so there is a certain risk being possessed, which is why we never give warranty on aged accounts (and for all it means - suspensions, locks, etc) it is clearly stated on the FORUM AD.
so why you didn't purchase a new account with 30 days warranty?

please don't try to avoid your or your team's responsibilities.
this discussion ends here, no further elaboration from my end as we need to deal with real businessman from this forum, who want to follow guidance and succeed. thank you for hurting our reputation and letting other people miss great opportunities with us.
 
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@BassTrackerBoats We can’t do more here. The seller keeps repeating the same thing over and over. He said he would refund if we provide proof. We’ve provided it, and all we can do now is record a phone call. This is exactly why we couldn’t fix this with the seller directly. He repeats, circles, and doesn’t address issues.
 
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