(Resolved) Dispute: @periwinkletiger v. @barmaley93

periwinkletiger said:

@BassTrackerBoats We can’t do more here. The seller keeps repeating the same thing over and over. He said he would refund if we provide proof. We’ve provided it, and all we can do now is record a phone call. This is exactly why we couldn’t fix this with the seller directly. He repeats, circles, and doesn’t address issues.

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u didn't provide proof of suspension reason.

barmaley93 said:

u didn't provide proof of suspension reason.

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You need to start reading and comprehending issues.

This has nothing to do with a suspension. It has to do with an account being locked. You have proof of this. We told you why eBay doesn’t give further proof.

You are more than welcome to call eBay. If we have to and get permission to record a call, we will. We have provided all information and have reiterated the same over and over and over again.

You did not provide ORIGINAL OWNER DETAILS.

You owe them a refund.

BassTrackerBoats said:

You did not provide ORIGINAL OWNER DETAILS.

You owe them a refund.

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thank you so much for putting it out clear, again.

we sell ebay accounts, not people's information(ORIGINAL OWNER DETAILS).

this is stated clearly on our AD.

and with our several years of experience and a guide put to handle it successfully, we have happy customers as you can see back on the thread.

so with that said,
wouldn't we all be heavily violating forums terms and rules in that case?
why would someone sell original owner details info? wouldn't it put a heavy law enforcements risk on this forum its owners and it's users?


don't you find it interesting?
whether the user be opening this thread if the acc wasn't suspended?
the buyer is creating a sheep in a wolf skin.
please think about that.


and
please, consider for us to have the option to verify that suspension of the acc was caused by what our dear user and friend stated earlier.
( the call must be recorded live, ebay number must be seen clear on phone to prevent and scam attempts).

I will be more then happy to provide the full refund then, also be upgrading my user, and giving the buyer on top of that, a 149 usd credit on any service here.


anyways,
dear Bass,
please understand,

and I hope I don't sound rude on this one,

as we conduct business and product on this forum, we must respect the rules, you, the owners, and it's users, to prevent as much as possible a chance for risk.

taken from forum's Terms and rules page:

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The following are examples of content or activities that are prohibited on the Site, site mods / admin decision will be final in all respects:

3.1. Criminal, or tortious activity, including, but not limited to Hacking, Botnets, Identify Theft, Carding (credit card theft or “skimming” ), Pharma stuff (including prescription medications as defined by FDA “Orange book” or any pharmaceutical guide issued by UK authorities such as the British National Formulary), Ponzi schemes, Cash gifting, Cookie Stuffing involving fraud, Spamming techniques, The sale of fake ID's for the purposes of financial fraud, terrorism or drug related activity or any other criminal purpose of any description. Financial fraud, terrorism or drug-related activity or any related criminal activities.

"

@barmaley93 You’re on BHW selling someone’s account. Where in your ad do you mention that the original details are not on the account and that you’re actively changing the original owner’s details multiple times? On the contrary, you clearly told us that you gave us the account with original details (again, see my screenshot above), which was a lie.

Where do you mention adding fake details to the account? When someone buys an account on here, they don’t expect that you’re masking or changing details, nor should they. I bought an account, in full, and nothing else was disclosed by you. Your ad is for a full account. eBay doesn’t allow for ownership transfer unless done through their legal team. If you’re actively changing details, you’re already setting your buyers up for potential issues with eBay down the line.

Of course this issue is only coming up when there is an issue with the account - how would we otherwise know? We trusted you to be giving us the original owner’s details as you stated. You’re the wolf in sheep’s clothing and your responses are just endless excuses.

I never asked for nor bought fake IDs. We simply needed the original owner’s details. You already give your buyers owner details, who would know these are fake? Again, you have likely gotten this account from a chain of people, possibly hacking (definitely criminal per your post). If you had the owner’s details you would have given them by now instead of giving an endless chain of excuses. No one knows where you got this account, maybe not even you.

You already promised a full refund. Give it and end this chain of excuses. We don’t need or want additional credit. Give the refund as stated and stop this, it’s a very bad look for your business. eBay won’t likely allow us to record a call with them, especially when it’s discussing PII. We’ve given you everything and move forward.

Original Owner Details are a part of this agreement and that was not delivered.

Forget what PayPal says as it was a Friends and Family deal and that is why people try to use it to collect payments.

BassTrackerBoats said:

Original Owner Details are a part of this agreement and that was not delivered.

Forget what PayPal says as it was a Friends and Family deal and that is why people try to use it to collect payments.

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no where on the ad it is stated as you said, please check it.

https://prnt.sc/Q2twQr2wwPNE
it clearly says ebay account, as is. meaning with whatever details it comes with(original, delusional, made up, martian, etc).

if ebay is asking you for this, meaning you did something really wrong with the account(which buyer did and confirmed).

I can even deliver the account with a name of grilled potato if I want, if approved by mods, and when I do this, means I know that it is allowed, possible and works as per guidance and it is my responsibility to make sure it is and have the consequences as per forum mods if so to come.

BUT NOT IN THIS CASE!

we work strictly per forum ad and guidance to avoid further complications, but buyer did not follow. so its on him!



when you go to your local market, you wanna make cheese cake, u buy cheese, as part of ingredients, not chicken breast right?

we advertise the cheese, deliver it, we don't send chicken breast instead.

but if you mix up chicken and cheese, or think you will receive a breast instead of cheese how can I help?






as said,

the nature of this product and forum doesn't allow this to happen. so we must find creative way in favor of forum and customers.

I did had some communication mistake on my end about this matter with the buyer but that doesn't contradict.

(saying acc came with original details).

and surely doesn't give him the right to say he didn't receive the item, because he did as per ad.

https://prnt.sc/6Ye44Qnt2jrh
your mod successfully ran this account without issues as u can see.

and as many following customers for a few years( those who followed guide)

with that being said,

please let me
refund him if he can provide solid proof as asked earlier.

forum ad and guidance he received with account, clearly states about any warranty voided for aged accounts, for any issues to come.

barmaley93 said:

I can even deliver the account with a name of grilled potato if I want, if approved by mods, and when I do this, means I know that it is allowed, possible and works as per guidance and it is my responsibility to make sure it is and have the consequences as per forum mods if so to come.

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Except it didn’t work per guidance and you have never taken any responsibility.

You’ve received everything short of a recorded phone call to eBay. Again, we’re not doing this unless required by the mod and it’s likely not going to be approved by eBay anyway.

Please start taking responsibility. The above proves you have no care as to what you deliver and buyers will have to accept whatever with no responsibility on your side as you feel a “no refund policy” fully covers anything you deliver. Buyers should be really concerned with what you just said above.

periwinkletiger said:

Except it didn’t work per guidance and you have never taken any responsibility.

You’ve received everything short of a recorded phone call to eBay. Again, we’re not doing this unless required by the mod and it’s likely not going to be approved by eBay anyway.

Please start taking responsibility. The above proves you have no care as to what you deliver and buyers will have to accept whatever with no responsibility on your side as you feel a “no refund policy” fully covers anything you deliver. Buyers should be really concerned with what you just said above.

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I will take full responsibility once our request fulfilled, because, who knows if u made that up or no?

in my guide it never talked about using ML software, or such.

buyer should be only concerned to follow clear and easy guide. so it will be easier for all of us and make sure things like these won't happen,
its also easy for us to take responsibility this way.

you seem quite enough literate, yet u choose to follow your own.

I promise you if u took another acc, followed as I said, u would be making sales, but your EGO won't let you.

barmaley93 said:

in my guide it never talked about using ML software, or such.

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Your guide didn’t have requirements, only recommendations. When we approached you on this, you approved ML per our conversations on Skype before we proceeded. You know all of this yet continue to manipulate the story. ML has nothing to do with ORIGINAL OWNER DETAILS.

We’re not circling with you anymore and have been doing this with you for over 7 months.

periwinkletiger said:

Your guide didn’t have requirements, only recommendations. When we approached you on this, you approved ML per our conversations on Skype before we proceeded. You know all of this yet continue to manipulate the story. ML has nothing to do with ORIGINAL OWNER DETAILS.

We’re not circling with you anymore and have been doing this with you for over 7 months.

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read it again then and please check.

so don't circle, please provide with solid proof about ebay suspension reason so we can move on already.

barmaley93 said:

read it again then and please check.

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You too. And while you’re at it, read our Skype conversation again as this was a major topic from the beginning yet you’re twisting facts like usual.

We have nothing further and are not responding further. If a recorded call is required by the mod, that’s all we can try to do and we’re not wasting time with you anymore.

barmaley93 said:

so we can move on already.

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Refund them so we can move on.

You both have spoken enough in here.

The next thing I read should have a screen shot of a refund.

And I'm tired of saying you owe a refund so don't come back with anything but that screen shot

The user was already banned, I'm just adding this here so that others know it's open for commentary.


The accused has been permanently banned from Black Hat World for failing to resolve this dispute.

The dispute thread will remain live and is now open to commentary as rule 4 is no longer enforced in this thread.