(Resolved) Dispute: @ MRik v. @TechWizardPro

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NOTE: I'm only Allowed to attach 10 files. I have referenced them all below - if you want the rest, or any of the rest please let me know.

Proof that the transaction began on BHW:

I found @TechWizardPro from his BHW sales thread.


The first contact I made was on Telegram July 12th 2023 [See Attached File T01] where I state that I have come onto his Telegram from his BHW thread

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Proof the other party has been informed of this Dispute Resolution:


The last contact was on Telegram August 14th 2024 [See Attached File T33]

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After a few weeks of being ghosted, I informed him I would be starting a dispute on BHW if he didn’t respond. I left it two further weeks; in case he was on holiday. Though it should be noted he has been signing into Telegram at least once a day.







Proof of Transaction:

1st Order (270 Gmails bought)

[See Attached Files T04 and T05]

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2nd Order (80 Gmails bought)

[See Attached Files T06 and T07]

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Summary of Dispute:


Last year I paid for 350 Gmail Accounts.


The first batch of 270 worked.


The 2nd batch of 80 took multiple replacements – eventually I got 25 working ones. So I paid for 350 and ended up with around 300 emails. I was fine with this.


This year 80 of the emails were taken back. All in one go. Then 100 more. Then every single email I’d bought. I now have zero of the accounts.


I have included the complete files of our conversations on Telegram.







What you hope to gain from this Dispute Resolution:


Ideally, I would love my actual accounts back. I have leads I’ve missed. I’ve spent a fortune warming up those accounts. I have them set up on separate IPs. I fear @TechWizardPro has long since sold them, as they would make him over $400. But if it was possible to have my actual accounts back that would be amazing.



He seems to be hiding. Not just from me. It feels like he may not have enough accounts for customers. As he’s been ignoring them (new customers) on BHW and from me, taking back Gmails he has previously sold. It’s interesting he hasn’t been interacting with new customers on BHW or even coming on here, and at the same time signing in multiple times a day on Telegram.



Anyway – I would like him to ask for my original email accounts back from whomever he, or his team, sold them too. He seems to always refer to other people, not himself. So when emails didn’t work – it was his team that sent him bad ones. When he was going to ask for my accounts back – it was his suppliers he was going to ask. I’m not sure if he’s the actual boss, or if he is some middle man between another company and the BHW customers?



I bought 350 aged Gmails with App Passwords and English names. So, I guess [if my email accounts are ‘lost’] I would be happy with the same type of email accounts. Maybe 300 working Gmails from 2020 or before.







Evidence of the Issue:



Around a year ago July 13th 2023 I bought 270 Gmail accounts from @TechWizardPro’s BHW listing.



I paid extra and bought them with App Password and names changed to English ones, as I had no way to go into all those accounts and change the names or set up App password, without having Gmail ban them all.



On July 19th 2023 I bought 80 more Gmail accounts. Again, paying extra for the account names to be changed and for them to come with app passwords.



The second 80 Gmails didn’t work.



[See Attached Files T08, T09, T10, T11, T12, T13, T14, T15, T16, T17]


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He sent another 100 Gmails. To make up for the 80 that didn’t work.



Those 100 Gmails didn’t work either. Also a lot of the 100 Gmails sent were repeated within the list.



It took a fair bit of time loading up these Gmails. Also, I was worried that they were messing up my IPs, having so many failed logins. I ended up ‘only’ trying 70 of the 100 – and asked him to try the rest. As all 70 failed.



Please note I was always polite. And patient. Even though this cost me loads of time and potentially damaged my IPs.



At the same time, it should be noted that he was always communicating with me – and trying to sort the situation out. He wasn’t running and hiding from the issue.





[See Attached Files T18, T19, T20, 21, 22, 23]


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@TechWizardPro offered to send ANOTHER 100 emails to replace these ones.



These also didn’t work.



[See Attached Files T24, T25, T26]



To recap. I bought 270 emails to start with. They all worked. I then bought 80 more. These didn’t work. He replaced them with 100 gmails, they also didn’t work. He replaced them a second time, they didn’t work. He replaced them a third time, and they didn’t work.



I now suspect that maybe [this is just using knowledge of what I know now] that maybe he was just offering me accounts he’d already sold to other people – in the hope they would work for me. But I’m getting ahead of myself.



At the time I asked him why the first batch worked and the second batch had repeatedly failed. He explained it was some change in Google policy and that they had lost 4k accounts. He offered me a refund for 25 accounts. I paid by card, he wanted to refund in crypto that I have never dealt in. I didn’t get the refund. He sent me 25 more accounts at a later date.



[See Attached Files T27]



Ok. We now fast forward to June 25th 2024. And what this dispute is about.



I have, for the last year, paid to warm up the 300 emails I ended up with. I also pay for 75 IPs. I pay a monthly fee for an email sending system (from someone off BHW), and I pay for Amazon AWS just to run it all from. I only mention this – as the monthly cost is very high, and currently I have none of the emails but still have all the costs.



On June 25. 80 of the emails had been hi-jacked. And taken back. I was desperate as I had just done a mail out. And I was now going to lose all the responses to those accounts from that mail out. I explained this to him.



[See Attached Files T28, T29, T30 now one file combined]

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He kept promising to look into it and get back to me. He never got back to me. I contacted him on August 2nd as another 80 accounts were reclaimed all in one go again.



[See Attached Files T31, T32, and T32 again]

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Shortly after this, all in one go again – all the rest of the accounts were taken back. Now he stopped responding. My last message was on the 14th August when I notified to him, I would be bringing a dispute.



[See Attached Files T33 see above]



I have included the entire Telegram conversation [T01 – T33] <UPDATE I couldn't as I can only upload 10 files. But I got all the important stuff in the files on here> On top of the rest of the Telegram conversation [T01-T33] I also have other files that show accounts all being taken at the same time, or Gmail accounts saying the password had been changed. And so on. I have 7 or 8 of these sorts of files. If needed, I can provide them. I think the conversation provided here should be enough?



Thanks for any help.



I want to note again, although there were issues, until recently @TechWizardPro has always been good at communicating and seemed to try to put things right. So, I don’t think he has on purpose acted badly. My suspicion is either he has run out of Gmails [hence avoiding his BHW thread] or he is a middleman and the company he gets the emails from has reclaimed my accounts.
 
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