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  1. plusvn

    plusvn BANNED BANNED

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    His thread: Need some New Year Party photos from Philippines
    Box: Hire freelancer

    Fucking buyer. I'm tried my best to do for him but after delivered work, he ask me to refund because some fucking reason.
    He reported me with Paypal.

    What can I do ?

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  2. 2011nfl

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    You need to post proof of conversations, paypal transactions, ect. Only posting someones name and accusation is not good enough. If it were that easy, then half of bhw members would be banned.
     
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    did you send him pictures from Philippines or from some other country?
     
  4. ijof9

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    Here is a proof of conversation.

    I tried to be as reasonable as possible. This man doesn't even understand english well, and all he did was playing around with me, my money, and my time.

    I don't care if it's $15 or $50. I bought services in the past, from people here, and whatever went bad, I still was able to successfully reason with them. But look how you treated the problem:

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    [1:46:36 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: ijof9, BHW, need new year photos
    [1:46:46 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: hey there
    [5:51:59 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân has shared contact details with vehuiah_corinaserver.
    [5:52:25 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: hey
    [5:53:41 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: hey there
    [5:53:47 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: brb in 5 minutes and we'll talk okay?
    [5:54:45 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: ok
    [5:54:58 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: it's random
    [5:55:14 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: depend how many order of me
    [5:57:26 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: ok
    [5:57:29 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: two things
    [5:57:46 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: my main business is based in vietnam, but I'm directing from here
    [5:57:50 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: 1. how old are you?
    [5:57:57 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: and 2. are you from Vietnam?
    [5:58:05 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: yes i'm from vietnam
    [5:58:12 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: i'm 20 years old
    [5:58:16 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: allright cool
    [5:58:29 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: I may have different tasks for you throught the year
    [5:58:38 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: and I'll keep you on a payroll of course
    [5:58:52 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: but for now, I need 20-30 pictures from a new year party
    [5:59:06 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: can you send me a screenshot with thumbnails?
    [5:59:39 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: i will collect from other album
    [5:59:47 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: you need photo about firework ?
    [5:59:55 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: they can have fireword of course
    [6:00:02 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: but they can't be uploaded on facebook
    [6:00:09 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: *fireworks
    [6:00:28 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: sure
    [6:00:42 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: ít not uploaded on facebook
    [6:02:11 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: cool
    [6:02:29 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: just put a few in a folder and make a folder screenshot
    [6:02:37 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: okay
    [6:02:41 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: wait
    [6:04:29 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: if you have blurry / handshake photos and maybe some fingers / arms /etc in the picture it's okay they're cool
    [6:04:49 AM] *** Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân sent 1994.png ***
    [6:05:03 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: 3 photos for demo
    [6:05:16 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: nobody in picture ?
    [6:05:49 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: doesn't matter as long as he doesn't have a recognizable face
    [6:05:59 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: it's perfect
    [6:06:09 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: get more and send me your paypal e-mail address please
    [6:06:18 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: plusvn92@gmail.com
    [6:06:36 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: only have shake hand and finger not face ???
    [6:06:44 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: no face please
    [6:06:47 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: ok
    [6:06:50 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: i will try
    [6:06:52 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: these are for a facebook profile
    [6:07:04 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: and it has to look as natural as possible
    [6:07:13 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: yes
    [6:07:51 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 27R53196FM8179213)
    [6:07:58 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: $15.00 is that okay?
    [6:08:34 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: oh, it up to you, i will try my best :(
    [6:08:43 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: $15 not bad
    [6:08:47 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: ;)
    [6:08:50 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: i'm trying
    [6:08:54 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: ok
    [6:09:06 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: if you went somewhere
    [6:09:09 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: for the new year
    [6:09:14 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: party with friends or whatever
    [6:09:17 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: yeah
    [6:09:19 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: what ?
    [6:09:25 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: just grab all the photos you have and remove those who have faces in it
    [6:09:31 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: and send me the rest
    [6:09:31 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: but' i'm in vietnam, not philippine
    [6:09:35 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: yes, it doesn't matter
    [6:09:40 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: the profile travels a lot
    [6:09:50 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: yup i know
    [6:26:25 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: lion dance so ok ?
    [6:26:50 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: sure
    [6:27:10 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: look, put a whole batch and I'll just filter them out
    [6:28:10 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: ok
    [6:48:20 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: any luck?
    [6:48:34 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: trying
    [6:48:46 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: how can i send for you ?
    [6:49:14 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: well
    [6:49:23 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: just mail an archive to ijof9nine@gmail.com
    [6:49:29 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: ok
    [7:05:14 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: sending mail
    [7:05:24 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: do you need from Vietnam, can contact me.
    [7:05:51 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: okay
    [7:06:09 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: I might need a bank account in Vietnam at some point, but I'll contact you for that separately
    [7:06:17 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: later this year
    [7:06:40 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: yes
    [7:14:02 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: Check your mail please.
    [7:15:00 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: ok, one minute please.
    [7:17:08 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: ok, great
    [7:17:12 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: nice work
    [7:17:29 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: Thank you .
    [7:22:01 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: they are very high quality
    [7:22:07 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: you don't have lower quality?
    [7:22:20 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: I mean... your own photos if you have taken some, with cell phone
    [7:22:22 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: or anything
    [7:22:35 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: or your friends or whatever
    [7:22:36 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: yeah, took by camera so ok
    [7:23:04 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: you should say it to me first :(
    [7:23:21 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: they're supposed to look as if
    [7:23:31 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: the person that took the photo was actually there
    [7:23:49 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: just use your own photos
    [7:23:56 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: if you have
    [7:24:08 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: now smartphone camera can took some photo with high quality
    [7:24:08 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: :D
    [7:24:30 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: I have a Nokia N8, it doesn't take shots this good
    [7:24:32 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: :P
    [7:24:40 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: Nokia N8 very old :D
    [7:24:49 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: Galaxy S3, Iphone 5 .. can be :D
    [7:24:59 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: oh come on... :P
    [7:25:11 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: just send me some cell phone pics please
    [7:25:47 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: oh, i only have photo with high quality
    [7:25:51 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: :(
    [7:25:56 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: don't have to be high quality
    [7:26:01 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: can be low quality it's ok
    [7:26:34 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: you should say to me first, now i dont have low quality photos :(
    [7:26:53 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: damn..
    [7:26:57 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: can't you ask a friend?
    [7:27:06 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: if he took some firework shots?
    [7:27:40 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: some firework photos took by phone camera,
    [7:27:49 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: yea, people do it all the time
    [7:27:55 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: by DSLR can more than it
    [7:28:02 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: at least here they do
    [7:28:27 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: do you need know ? you cant use my photo ?
    [7:28:49 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: I need to do a lot of photoshopping to lower the quality
    [7:29:14 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: and there are usually successions from the same scene many times
    [7:29:35 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: it would've helped if I had genuine pictures from a new year party
    [7:29:45 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: something a little more "personal"
    [7:30:24 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: i tryed but it's difficult to not have somebody face :(
    [7:33:52 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: sorry i hope i can help you
    [7:34:07 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: but i dont have lower quality photo
    [7:35:18 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: okay then...
    [7:35:32 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: just refund me $10, you keep $5 for your effort
    [7:35:37 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: and we're good
    [7:45:36 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: okay?
    [7:51:20 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: are you still there?
    [7:54:27 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: yeah
    [7:54:47 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: no, i trying to make $15
    [7:55:04 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: i'm tried my best
    [7:55:21 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: you dont say it for me first
    [7:55:30 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: i found high quality
    [7:55:45 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: you dont say i must find low quality first
    [7:55:58 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: has to be some cool place you've been, some night firework shots, blurred, maybe glasses, champagne, etc. No faces in the pictures necessary, just some shots in a recognizable place.
    [7:56:05 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/518798-need-some-new-year-party-photos-philippines.html#post5063016
    [7:56:19 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: some cool place you've been = your own photos, blurred = low quality
    [7:56:33 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: I did mentioned. sorry :(
    [7:56:35 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: yeah, you dont mention low quality on it
    [7:56:59 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: it's blurred. look, I posted again with example: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/518798-need-some-new-year-party-photos-philippines.html#post5065308
    [7:57:16 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: come on man, this is supposed to be easy
    [7:58:26 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: My effort deserving with $15
    [7:59:01 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: now if you need i back to start from first
    [7:59:05 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: sorry for my english
    [8:00:24 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: look, the idea was that the pictures were supposed to be yours
    [8:00:41 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: i needed photos taken by you, from the new year's eve 2013
    [8:01:07 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: not by me, i need photo in Philippine, i'm in vietnam
    [8:01:22 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: vietnam is ok as long as the pictures are taken by you
    [8:01:58 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: now is 6/1, if you need photo take by me you should say it to me before 1/1
    [8:03:24 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: if you need diffenrent photo, you must pay more
    [8:06:54 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: if I file a PayPal report, just because you're not being reasonable, the next thing that's going to happen is all your funds are going to get blocked for 60 days until PayPal investigates the claim
    [8:08:14 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: I'm tried to work for you, now you blame me ?
    [8:08:21 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: I asked for refund
    [8:08:39 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: you don't even speak english well, you did not understand what the task was, what I asked from you
    [8:08:51 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: you cannot provide the service that was requested
    [8:09:07 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: you not mention low quality photos from your thread
    [8:09:08 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: ? ?
    [8:09:11 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: Blurred
    [8:09:18 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: blurred, you know what blurred means?
    [8:09:43 AM] *** Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân sent 4.jpg ***
    [8:09:50 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: is that photo blurred ?
    [8:10:56 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: no, this is an image that you stole from http://www.flickr.com/photos/pangpang/2273377547/
    [8:11:09 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: which is somebody's image from a new Year in 2008
    [8:11:15 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: which happened 5 years ago
    [8:11:26 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: refund me or I'm filing a unauthorized transaction claim
    [8:11:49 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: refund $5 so ok
    [8:11:54 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: $10
    [8:12:46 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: &4
    [8:12:47 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: $7
    [8:13:24 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: you have 1 minute to decide how you're playing with my money
    [8:13:32 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: $15 now or orange button
    [8:13:56 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: so ok, i will refund $10
    [8:14:00 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: your account ?
    [8:14:07 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: no, you will refund all $15 for not being a reasonable guy
    [8:14:11 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: fuck
    [8:14:13 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: it up to you
    [8:14:43 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: on the transaction page you have a white button that says "Issue refund"
    [8:14:51 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: that's all you have to do
    [8:15:02 AM] Đỗ Huỳnh Anh Quân: not $15
    [8:16:23 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: Transaction ID Date Amount Details Action
    27R53196FM8179213 Jan 5, 2013 -$15.00 USD Anh Quân Đỗ Huỳnh Investigate
    [8:19:08 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: time's up
    [8:26:16 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: good luck explaining now to PayPal
    [8:26:20 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: I'm out
    [8:26:22 AM] vehuiah_corinaserver: bye


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    I don't have time for crazy things like these.
    This shitlisting is worth exactly $15, which I fix in 3 minutes with 10 conversions.
    But all this hassle should keep the community safe from newbies like you.

    And I do care about how reasonable people are. Meanwhile I'm still looking for new year's eve 2013 pictures.
    Good luck.
     
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    He admitted he not mention "low quality photo" on his thread, I'm delivered work very good with his request but after done. He asked me to refund. He said "I did mentioned. sorry :(" (see the photo) but he still report.
     
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    By reading everything that was said, I am kinda on both sides of the fence right now. You weren't really specific at first it seems until after he sent the initial photos, but you did beat around the bush that you wanted them to look like they were taken by him. Problem is with that, is online you can't really beat around the bush because different languages interpret things differently. Then you told him that you would let him keep $5 for his effort (which was very generous), but then went back on what you said (which was kinda cocky). But all in all, it wasn't what you had expected, so I understand your side, but I also understand his side a equally.

    Also, as the post below says, you did say they looked good when he sent you the thumbnails. I have to take the op's side on this one, but I am not a mod, so my opinion don't count :)
     
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    After i send him a screenshot with thumbnails. (3 photos on it is high quality) so he said: "it's perfect" and asked me to give Paypal account.
     
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    And you just made thread to get $10 ?

    He asked for 20 pics and you sent 3, since ijof didnt need your pics, i think he has all rights to tell that he dont need pics like this.
    You also didnt sent all 20 pics, so i will stay on Ijof9 Side.

    How can you keep money for something you never done ? You sent him all pics ? No ! Where is problem ?
    And we talk about $15 not $1500 and you just made shitlist for that Cmon man .

    You still keep $5 so its cool , you failed to deliver what he wanted and you dont get paid for that as well, simple as that
     
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    Oh, Have you read all conversation before?

    I sent him total 33 photos through email.

    I grateful to the mods here for taking immediate actions to save more sellers.
     
  11. ijof9

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    No, wait, he did sent pictures.

    But, unfortunately in the thumbnails, the photos look like they are from the same set. Except they are not. I even have the place from where he stole the photos. I did not ask for stolen pictures. I'm sorry. Check the thread again, it will make a lot of sense.



    This is what he really delivered:

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    If this is how you make money in Vietnam, then you're in the wrong business buddy.
     
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  12. 2011nfl

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    I really should know all of the facts before I side with someone lol. Honestly, looking at all of the photos, it looks like he just googled them. In which case, I would have to then change my mind on who I side with lol
     
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    I just wanted to say that these sentences made me fall out of my chair, lol:

    "My effort deserving with $15"

    "now is 6/1, if you need photo take by me you should say it to me before 1/1"

    I'll side with ijof9 on this one and this is why:

    * If you don't have what is required from a buyer(ijof9) then don't offer such thing. *
     
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    Thread should be deleted and op should be provided with tablets. Plusvn must took benefit of goodnight time on your side buddy, it seems you were in half sleep while dealing. from his English only you could spot outcome.

    Wish you best luck getting right pictures set.
     
  15. ijof9

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    I'm just adding passages from the Skype conversations that he missed.

    Maybe some administrator can please reverse the negative iTrader that this guy left me.

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    Thank you.
     
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    I'm with ijof9 all the way

    He didn't hire OP to copy pics from flickr !
     
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    You ask me to refund $10, after that I'm ok but you change your mind and ask me to refund $15. So you reported me with Paypal. Not fair with my effort.
     
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    You want to get paid for using Google? LOL
     
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    ijof9 Power Member

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    It's about people. And let me show you how a similar situation got sorted out:
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    I actually ended up feeling bad about telling the guy that he screwed up. But he did keep the money and we're good.
     
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    So ok. My bad. I will refund, please cancel your report on Paypal.
    I'm newbie, I don't know more about Paypal and my English not good. I cant do anything.