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Replica site shut down by nike!! what now??

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by smoov1, Sep 19, 2008.

  1. smoov1

    smoov1 Newbie

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    I had a website for selling shoes and i got a notice from nikes lawyers saying that i had to shut the site down, Im cetain godaddy gave them my info, although they had the right address but not my correct name on the cease and desist letter, so i guess that is a good thing. I had pretty good traffic and sales coming to my site and it took me almost a year to get it to that point before this happened, so as you could imagine, it is hard to let this domain go. I started over, using a new domain and this time doing it all the right way with offshore hosting and everything but the sales are very low again. I was wondering if i were to use my original domain name that nike is aware of. and get the offshore hosting and change it over to a offshore domain company and become completely annonymous, would this be ok? my thinking is that if nike questions me about it or come at me, i could say that i sold it and i do not know who is using it now. one other thing, i have buynow buttons from paypal on my site, am i safe with this? I have been using paypal almost a year on my site with no problems.
     
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    have u heard of the expression. if you play with fire you will get burned!!! thats exactly what your doing lol. selling fakes is one thing but making a site aswell to sell fakes form is asking for trouble in my opinion...
     
  3. BuzzKill

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    If you have to ask about using the same domain and using PayPal and anonymous in the same sentence, you are not cut out to be a bootlegger..

    Don't become a statistic, leave that shit to the Chinese.
     
  4. Uptownbulker

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    Hate to tell you this but you are nailed!

    You have been given notice and they will now watch you like a hawk watches a mouse in a field.

    Time to find a new way to make a living or be prepared to lose everything you own in a lawsuit as well as maybe even deal with criminal charges.
     
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  5. wazzzup

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    Now if you use the same domain name. Even if your offshore they alreayd have some of your information !

    I'd say create a blog, redirect your old domain to the blog, have a few articles up about nike shows and apparel and to watch out for replicas and scammy sites like and give examples of scammy sites, and give example on how you were nailed and nike sent ya a letter and may sue you -->> then throw in you new sites link.

    This isn't a stealth method, but at least you won't be loosing all your traffic.

    Throw in a php script on your new site's home page that if the traffic doesn't come form your blog's url them to show them another page which has nothing to do with replicas !!
     
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  6. smoov1

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    No, through alot of research i have found out that the safest way to sell fakes is by using a website. When you sell fakes hand to hand, you cant dispute that they are fakes. when you sell from a website and you have a overseas supplier doing all the shipping, you never even touch the product so as far as you know the shoes are real. Its when you are knowingly selling fakes hand to hand in the streets is when you can get in big trouble because you actually have them on your person and you are being caught with them red handed. but if you use offshore hosting and are completely anonymous you are ok.
     
  7. BuzzKill

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    You asked a question, you got answers you don't like from people with far more experience than you. Now you get to hit yourself in the head when you're slapped with a subpeona and sued into oblivion..
     
  8. smoov1

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    i have never heard of this what is a php script? forgive me for my ignorance i would like to know all methods that could help.
     
  9. wazzzup

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    If you havea store online I presume it's in PHP

    Get someone who knows PHP,

    There's many on here.

    To my knowledge one of the best is Genjutsu, he seems like a busy guy though maybe he doesn't have time for small jobs like this one!
     
  10. smoov1

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    Its not that im saying you are wrong. Its that im getting conflicted answers sometimes. I have had many people with alot of expierience tell me that it is perfectly fine as long as you use offshore hosting and offshore bank accounts and offshore merchant accounts and use a offshore supplier that will dropship because if you dont ever see the products in the first place they cant prove you were knowingly selling fakes and could be considered a victom yourself
     
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    Are any of those people lawyers that specialize in trademark and patent law? <rhetorical>. Have you heard the expression ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law?

    Is your pay pal going offshore? Do have an offshore corp or know how to set one up? Do you know the countries that are even safe to use as havens for money or do you just know the term offshore?

    Are you prepared to let the domain drop, wait the time, then pay snapnames.com to get it for you, with your fake corporations name, do you already have a credit card to pay for that in your fake corp name?

    Maybe the answer to all these questions is yes, I don't know what you know, if so - go with God. But remember just because someone tells you they have never been busted does not mean they never will be.
     
  12. Uptownbulker

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    Smoov!

    Short and sweet:

    You are fucked.

    End of story.

    They have probably already made buys from you and know exactly who you are.

    It just ain't that hard.

    They do not send you a cease and desist letter until they already know who you are, have your banking info provided to them by PayPal, your domain resitration info and the IP that it came in from, your spending habits, what you drink, what you smoke, your SSN, your DL number and the brand of toilet paper that you use.

    You "replica" business is finito, finished, fucked, reached das Endug; in short, over with.

    You should now be sitting back protecting what funds you have and hoping that you are not too late and that they do not proceed any further.
     
  13. BuzzKill

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    Uptown.. so what is it you are really trying to say?
     
  14. smoov1

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    I do understand and respect all that you guys are saying, but unfortunately i am in a situation where it is actually worth the risk to continue as safely as possible for at least a little while. i have to help pay for a surgery for a loved one and i am taking care of other family members and serious situations that will not allow me to simply stop the only real income that i know how to make right now. i am trying to find other things to get into and have experimented in other legit ventures that have not come through for me as of yet, I will not give up on that but as of now this is all i know. i am in a unfortunate position to be sure and i very well may end up a sad story in the end if i get caught, but i prey to god everyday to help me find a way out. but i just thought there was hope in me continuing for a little while since they seem to have bitten on the fake info that i opened everything in because the desist letter had all fake information on it.
     
  15. Uptownbulker

    Uptownbulker BANNED BANNED

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    Yeah, well you keep "preying" (sic).

    Sorry for your troubles but you're not going to do your loved one any good if they come in and lock up your accounts or even worse, lock up you!

    Good luck!
     
  16. smoov1

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    yes i understand the risks but as i said i would rather be locked up to help save a family members life. and who knows maybe i can get away with it long enough that i can get out. all i can do is be optimistic. but the reason i came here is because you guys are the jedi if this kind of thing and i know it. so yes i do not know as much as you guys, as you are on a wizard like level when it comes to this and i am humbled by all you say. But i would like to learn more before i dive back in so i can at the very least delay what is to come. so if anyone can give more insight as to what are good over seas bank accounts to deal with and any other tactics that may help me last a little longer. as stated i have already got everything offshore hosted and all, and i even used vc with fake names and addresses to deal with the offshore hosting company im using in china. So what i know i need to do is stop using paypal from what you guys are saying.
     
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    hey man wat the hell is a VC ? before i began ?

    i feel your pain im new in the game and from what i see there is mass oppurtunity to make lots of money in this im in a situation like yours my friend i am working on seting up a company from the ground up selling variant nikes yo man start all over

    1.) off shore hosting a must
    2.) off shore bank's a must
    3.) paypal never ! reversals, given info to companies , stop services when income to high !
    4.) fake info for every thing except your payment method which should be by money order only no reversals, no charge backs you should connect with some one in another country that can route the money for you like i plan to do like in china or canada where ever as long as the rules and laws are not like the u.s
    5.)domain name should be off shore as well
    6.) items aaa plus dont sell crap people buy what they believe to look like the real thing and others cant tell there is alot of crapy fakes dont sell those or expect a refund request ya digg?
    7.) cover your ass no ho mo if in chance you do get caught which is unlikely if you set it up like the company is offshore donate a percentage to charity so at least you can say you had noble reason for doing so and have copies of medical bills and stuff like that for real juge will probably over look every thing if your young and will give you community service or something
    8.) make your site look legit theres alot of crapy ass looking sites out make it look hot man

    so with that said start over every thing and follow this and you should be good
     
  18. davidson

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    You hit the nail on the head. You are knowingly selling fakes. Whether you do that one sale at a time out of the trunk of your car or through a website with thousands of dollars in sales a month ... you are still knowingly selling fakes.

    You can have plausible deniability in terms of your methods and whatever, but the only thing that does for you is justify in your own mind that doing something illegal is alright.

    I agree with the others that it's time to walk away and find something else. Originally, however, I was going to respond that there's probably something in PayPal's TOS about using their service to engage in illegal activities. Most likely, if you continue, you'll get a letter from them as well.

    When you're in a hole ... stop digging. It's time to plead mea maxima culpa, take the slap on the wrist, and move on. It's better than spending time in prison.
     
  19. Uptownbulker

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    OHMIGAWD!

    My favourite phrase!:

    "When you're in a hole ... stop digging."

    This guy thinks that I am on his ass but the realilty is that if he is for real, I feel for him!
     
  20. davidson

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    It sounds to me like he's already made up his mind. He's found offshore hosting and trying to get things lined up to cover his ass.

    There's probably nothing you can do to change his mind now. Once someone gets to that point, all they are looking to do is find someone who will support their point of view so they feel better about their own decision.

    So, for what it's worth, good luck with your plan! I hope it works out for you.