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Recommendation/Experience with outsource

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by applesfaceman, Oct 1, 2010.

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  1. applesfaceman

    applesfaceman Registered Member

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    Hi, I am hoping to get everyone to pitch in and recommend companies or people you have had experience with in out sourcing. personally I am looking to out source web development and design to somewhere like India because from what I see they are extremely inexpensive and pretty good programmers.. Im looking for overall web development/ wordpress/ etc.. I would appreciate anyones experience and links to companies websites. and how easy it was to work with them.
    thanks
     
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    I'd suggest checking out odesk first to get your feet wet. Start with a couple small projects and learn how it works.

    I've gone down the road of hiring perm employees, which is just like hiring for a bricks job. Take resumes, interview, ask for samples of work, etc. Hiring them, half don't show, some show but don't do much, and then the few that actually work and you can train.

    It takes work to find them and train them, and you need to pay them fairly and promptly. There are services out there that have the employees ready and sometimes already trained, but haven't used them myself as I prefer my own methods and training. Plus they cost a good bit more.

    Just like many things in IM, it can be a PITA to get it rolling right, but when you do, it can be very much worth the effort.
     
  3. xfernanx

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    If you want to outsource for 3r world country prices and have someone good at the same time... add me on skype
    Skype ID:fernan.garcia.cr

    BTW Im aldragon`s good guy :)
     
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    aldragon Power Member

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    Outsource is a big problem and specially when you need content writing in other languages than English. In my case where most of my websites are in Spanish I found a really good guy here. Problem now is that he is full of English work.....
    Crixus is right, I got dirty on elance and odesk but didn't get any cheap ones. A few days ago I posted on a family of websites for "work from home" and I have now 300 fresh emails that I have to go through.. resumes samples etc... I'm guessing it will take some time but I'll get what i need. Now for Wordpress and PSD css html theres a good guy here he has done some work for me pretty fine. ill pm him to post here
     
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    LOL we were posting at the same time :)
     
  6. applesfaceman

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    any more ideas maybe on sites like elance, i found them shortly after and i guess there not always as cheap but i found one that looked cool to me Agile Technosys min 16 dollars an hour, i dont know if thats a "holy crap" kind of cheap but if they are pros and do good work i feel i could get almost anything i want done for less than 3k.. and thats a high ball at least i think it is for what i want.. im looking at having work done to the wordpress platform, a fully featured and functioning theme,, lots of plugins "built in" and fixed, sense theres a lot that are screwy..
     
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    if you are really looking for PM me, so we can discuss something.
     
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    What do you guys consider "cheap" for a top notch php/C/c++/javascript coder? Just wondering.
     
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    Hi - I have just been through the process of hiring 4 full time outsource workers from the Philippines. The experience has been pretty straight forward. Not very differemnt from recruiting a team of direct employees in my own country. You might find the following points helpful.

    1. I used onlinejobs.ph (have to pay monthly membership to view resumes - pay for 1 month recrruit your staff then cancel)
    2. search for candidates on onlinejobs.ph who have posted resumes ONLY in the last 7 days. Email them asking if they are still looking for work. Include a link to a landing page on your own site that describes the job. i included a video of me too so they could see it was legit. I emailed 50 people and got about 20 responses
    3. interview by email then by IM. draw up a shortlist. Treat the recruitment seriously dont just think about the cost. its better to have someone who is RELIABLE.
    4. Set a test task and pay them for this task.
    5. never pay in advance or before work is complete.
    6. I use basecampit.com to manage the staff and also campfire which is a chat system. this was any time im online any team member can contact me and ask questions.
    7. expect some people to not turn up or dispear. I had 4 start. 2 disappeared immedietly. Then I asked my 2 good ones for recommendations and they then found me 2 others who have been really good. so now I have stable staff of 4.
    8. Pay them on time and be totally straight with them
    9. IT takes alot of time to train and manage them . If you dont have the time to oversee their work you are wasting your time and money.
    10. Make sure you recruit for a specific job. dont be too general. this way you can check skill set matches applicants skills
    11. cost is pretty good value. I pay them all slightly different amounts but the nett including money transfer fees is £800 per month for the 4 people. So average £200 each.

    Hope these help. If anyone wants some specific advice then PM me.
     
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    hi

    cant post pm's yet. what tasks do you let them perform ?
    what training do you go through ?

    thanks alot.
     
  11. applesfaceman

    applesfaceman Registered Member

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    I am not ready to contact anyone at this moment but will be hopfully soon, I am not looking for content writing, i am looking to have wordpress development done. i use it as a CMS for an adult website and want to have a lot of things built in and i would like strong coding and personally i dont mind paying high (out source) prices when i can afford it, i eventually want a good amount of work done.
    Keep the posts coming!
     
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    I have outsourced quite a bit myself. There are some countries I have had good experiences with and some countries not so good experiences with. I guess much has to do your own personality and how well you get along with each culture.

    I am from California and the country I personally mesh well with is the Ukraine. Kharkov, Ukraine is the kinda the equivalent to Silicone Valley in the US.

    There are some GREAT designers and programmers that come out of here and I have never been badly disappointed with a single individual from there. Again, every experience and personality will be different for all of us. This has simply been my experience.

    An important factor you want to take into consideration is the time difference. Since there is a 10 hour difference between California and the Ukraine, I often find myself staying up very late to complete an important project.

    If your projects are pretty standard and cookie cut, then you may not have to worry about babysitting your projects. For me, I must do this often.

    There is also the language barrier. For me, when these guys say certain things, I have to stop and think what they are trying to say even though it is in English. It's important to show respect to these guys and give them incentives to work hard for you. Don't forget, many times they are not exclusively working for you. So if they have another project in addition to your project, you don't want to get thrown on the back burner. You have to nicely micro manage them and ask them how certain tasks are coming along and if there is anything they need to get it done faster. I will often provide a $20 or $30 cash bonus if they can complete certain tasks within a given time period. This seems to go over very well.

    If you are doing a mass number of generic WordPress sites, this may or may not be helpful to you.

    There are lots of things to consider when outsourcing, so there is no better way to get the feel for it than to start working with a couple people.

    I hope this helps!
     
  13. mrkwants2learn

    mrkwants2learn Newbie

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    Good to hear from you about how you were able to get good staffs in the Phillippines. I'm also from the Philippines and currently working multiple clients for their link building and SEO strategies for two years now. Experience wise, I've worked with different folks now.

    Just a tip, if you reward your staffs real good, you will win their trust and loyalty. Filipinos are shy to ask for incentives but are willing to surpass the expected performance.

    I'm thinking of pulling a team of SEO guys and good copywriters here in the Philippines and train them so that they will know what are needed by outsourcers and how to manage their time to be more productive for clients.

    This way, training the staffs won't be a tedious task anymore because they have been already trained. If their that variances in the tasks involved, it would be already easy to adjust.

    What do you think? :)
     
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