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Ranking algorithm - why can't I outrank my competitor?

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by Divination, May 1, 2016.

  1. Divination

    Divination Power Member

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    So this new song came out, I own a music channel. I posted it, my competitor posted it.

    I posted it on April 27 and my competitor on the 23. So he had a 4 day advantage on me.

    I cannot manage to outrank him at all, I don't know why.
    - I have 4700 subs he has 800
    - My video has keywords in descriptions and tags, his doesn't.
    - My video has 3000 more views (yes some are fake but most real).
    - My video has 35 more likes (250v215).
    - My video has 5x the amount of comments as his.
    - My video has a retention of 64% average

    Is the timing really that important?
     
  2. sothisisnightlife

    sothisisnightlife Junior Member

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    I've had this problem for years and someone still someone hasn't given me a valid answer.
     
  3. fostdecile

    fostdecile Junior Member

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    What about the title? You can try changing the title and "split-test" to see which one ranks higher. Anyway, if it has higher organic views and likes, it's not that much of a problem isn't it? :D
     
  4. Divination

    Divination Power Member

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    I cannot change the title. It has to stay the same as it is a song title.

    It has higher views because I posted it in high profile FB groups and Reddit, and I have a higher amount of subscribers.
     
  5. The Owl

    The Owl Registered Member

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    has he got more text in the about box on the video?
     
  6. Divination

    Divination Power Member

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    Nope I do. I took out a few links just now.
     
  7. cpafreak

    cpafreak Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Your competitor might be hiding few of his links. All these tools around are not 100% foolproof. Try getting more traffic in your niche through social engagement. It might help.
     
  8. Divination

    Divination Power Member

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    The competitor doesn't have any sort of optimization for the video. This is just a random kid who uploaded a song
     
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    socialmediapro Jr. VIP Jr. VIP UnGagged Attendee

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    "- My video has keywords in descriptions and tags, his doesn't." - The question is do you have the perfect Title, Description and Tags?
     
  10. Divination

    Divination Power Member

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    I'm extremely limited on that...its a song. If the title of the song is "Eminem - Lose Yourself" obviously my title is going to be something of the sort...
     
  11. Visit

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    Sometimes, I find that if you submit to reddit and it has a lot of upvotes and comments from active organic users, it can supersede those usual tactics that you listed -in which anyone can replicate.
     
  12. Divination

    Divination Power Member

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    I'll update this in a month and say who has more views...
     
  13. IndigoSind

    IndigoSind Regular Member

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    Firstly you bought fake views - why?!
    His likes/view ratio is probably better than you since he didn't buy views. Nowadays, it's jut about watch time, and REAL views:likes & comments
     
  14. b1step-ahead

    b1step-ahead Power Member

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    He might have more embeds on 2.0's or others. Those seem to kick it to high gear.
     
  15. HorusBlack

    HorusBlack Newbie

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    I do Video SEO and Youtube Marketing and can tell you, too much goes into ranking a video.
    Your competitor could have greater retention than you - even more likely because you bought fake views.
    They could have embeds of their video.
    Backlinks to their video to build page authority, channel authority
    etc
    etc
    etc.

    If you'd like help with figuring it out PM me.
     
  16. blackhatmommy

    blackhatmommy Newbie

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    HorusBlack- do you take job offers? I'm having trouble with ranking with my channel and cant figure out why. Interested in possibly hiring you
     
  17. expentgroup

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    Who posted first? A couple of months ago, I posted a video of a music that had been out 1 hour, by the time I post it, it was 2 hours after publishing, I was the 2º guy posting it up, I ranked 3 on this music, without tags, basically nothing, on a 0 subs, 10 hour channel, no art, no nothing, on top of guys with +1Million subs, 1000's of comments, that post a couple hours later. So time apparently is a big factor.
     
  18. UniQuE7

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    There's definitely people out there that know the tips and tricks around YouTube but there so secretive with it, that its almost impossible to figure out unless your in that said group of people. Wish there was someone around here that can give these type of pointers as its to hard to find anyone willing to help as long as there's money involved.
     
  19. john-benjamin

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    @OP How do you post songs on YouTube? How do you bypass the youtube copyright filter?
     
  20. Divination

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    I've noticed. I've been outranking channels with 50,000 subscribers by posting one day before them. Although a channel with 600,000 subs posted a month after me and outranked me so it only works to some extent. If titles are too close, time is a big factor I have noticed.