1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Quick Flip

Discussion in 'Site Flipping' started by darkeggx, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. darkeggx

    darkeggx Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    474
    Likes Received:
    49
    Location:
    10100
    I've seen at lot times where people just throw up a basic home page, policies, about us, etc. and flip it for a quick $200 or $300.

    What do they use most of the time, wordpress? Could you use a web editor or should I just stick with wordpress to keep the appearance professional?
    Is it possible to buy and flip a site within a day or even 24-48 hours?

    Any info, is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks again!
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  2. darkeggx

    darkeggx Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    474
    Likes Received:
    49
    Location:
    10100
    I'm sure someone on here has done this before.
     
  3. carlx

    carlx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    88
    Hi DarkEgg,

    I have done "Insta-Flips" (thats what i call them) - I will try to answer your queries.

    Yes, most of the time people use wordpress as their platform of choice, its easy to setup, easy to customise and there are lots of free themes & plugins to increase various aspects any webmaster would want!

    I would advise sticking with wordpress, buyers are comfortable with it and with Insta-Flips you need to appeal to the undereducated masses - not specialist or experienced buyers.

    Yes, it is possible to flip a website in under 24 hours, in fact i once purchased a domain, set it up for wordpress, created a custom theme and had it listed on Flippa within 3 hours! (For some people even that would be considered slow!)
    - However it is generally better to get the site listed on google and other search engines first etc which can take a few days.

    If you are going to try "Insta-Flips" then i have a few knowledge nuggets for you...

    Bare in mind you are selling to more inexperienced and undereducated buyers (not stupid people, but they don't really know what theyre doing)

    With that in mind,

    1) You are selling a dream .... SO SELL IT! - Your sales pitch is your single opportunity to get them interested, write an enticing title and follow it up with something catchy, short and intriging at the top of the page, emphasise key elements in your pitch with colours etc (i am not going to teach you about writing techniques, thats up to you to research)

    2) People love getting things for free, so tell them exactly what theyre going to be getting extra, BIN bonuses etc, free hosting, free setup (one of my BIN bonuses was to create a second website free in a niche of their choice)

    3) Just because the buyers are inexperienced doesn't mean they won't feel ripped off ... it's your job to go above and beyond what is expected in order to provide a killer after sales service (i do this anyway with any sales i make)

    4) See step 3 but start thinking about after sales, email list's etc - these people have purchased from you before and if you did a good job, they will do it again! i often tripled my income on a single sale by doing great after sales!

    There is more but i think i've written enough for now, any questions let me know, i will try to answer them.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 16
  4. darkeggx

    darkeggx Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    474
    Likes Received:
    49
    Location:
    10100
    Thanks for that reply. I really appreciate it. But do you HAVE to provide them with a service? Cant you just sell them the site and thats it, done deal?

    Also for these insta-flips, is content basically the only work put into these sites? Or should you do backlinks? I guess it depends on the type of site you're trying to sell. For example when building the site at the start, is it good to have a type of site in mind? For example, autoblog, mini niche site, Clickbank/affiliate, etc.?

    Thanks again. Rep and thanks given.
     
  5. carlx

    carlx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    88
    No, you don't have to provide a service - but in my mind i can't help but think "they just paid me for a website i knocked up in a few hours, they obviously have money to burn and little experience" - therefor they can be talked into things more easily and you've already built a level of trust!

    If your method is "build, sell, move on" then thats cool ... but i think you should milk that cash cow you already landed before you put it back out to pasture!

    I will be honest with you, i often run wprobot or another article scraper and generate the articles and then make them appear unique to google - so answering your question, no content doesn't really increase my workload!

    Backlinks ... why do backlinks for an Insta-Flip?? - DON'T!! - Going back to what i said before, YOUR after sales is the true corner stone to making money with Insta-Flips.
    - I have all the tools, XR, SB, AMR, BMD etc etc - Part of my after sales is offering them packages and emphasising the importance of being seen on Google, i explain to them that they of course can do SEO themselves, but for a price i can do them the service ... (i offer 3 services ranging from $50 - $397 - some people have money to burn and don't mind burning it while others just like to test the water) - I also advise that the process should be repeated every few months and offer them percentile discounts for pre-ordering 6/9/12 months of future blasts and promotions!

    Lastly i add them to my mailing list for past buyers so when the time comes i can fire out an email promoting my services or a new product to a proven list of buyers!

    If you don't have the tools, you can outsource it for a fraction of the price and still make a profit!

    Good question about what type of site you are going for! - I always decide what my next few websites will be early on, i do my keyword and domain research in 1 day so for the rest of that week i can focus on creating them and getting them sold!

    If you are just starting out i would aim for adsense/clickbank/amazon focused sites (pre-integrate them so the buyer can just insert their code after purchase) - less experienced buyers generally have these accounts and target their attention to websites that target these.

    Again i hope that clears things up for you and if you need anything else, let me know.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 9
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2011
  6. poweronics

    poweronics Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    3,117
    Likes Received:
    353
    Occupation:
    Freelancer
    Home Page:
    I am happy to know about insta-flip. Is there any other tool like this one. Any free tool?
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  7. carlx

    carlx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    88
    What do you mean by tool??
     
  8. vendor2012

    vendor2012 BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2011
    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    24
    what kind of price range do you charge for a simple business webpage using this "quick-flip" idea..
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  9. carlx

    carlx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    88
    The prices do vary depending on the niche, but a general rule of thumb for me is a BIN price of $175 - $320 ... If the site doesnt sell for BIN price i am never bothered because i do so well in after sales i more than make up for lost revenue!

    Plus a little tip, if the sale doesnt go for the BIN price, make sure you offer to sell the BIN bonuses for a "huge-drastic-one-time-only mark down" .... you were goingto give it away anyway, might as well really push for that extra after sale!

    I think if i get time after Christmas then ill put together a more indepth post regarding my "Insta-Flips" method.

    If you have anymore questions ill be around to answer them.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 4
  10. vendor2012

    vendor2012 BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2011
    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    24

    So your just talking about a simple webpage:

    - Matching header/footer
    - buy now banner
    - maybe matching ebook type graphic
    - various matching buttons
    - some basic sales pitch writing

    - no hosting?
    - no domain name?
    - no actual product?
    - no current traffic?

    and this would get me something in the range of $200-300 on Flippa? In how many days usually?

    Thanks in advance for mentoring.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2011
  11. carlx

    carlx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    88
    As mentioned above i usually use wordpress as its most accessable for new, less experienced buyers.

    In regards to the theme i always design a custom theme that fits the niche of the site.

    I usually sell with the BIN bonus for a years hosting.

    I do not really understand what you mean when you say "no domain name" to sell a website you need a domain name.

    In regards to product, its dependant on the niche - you can get PLR packs or similar with simple products that could be promoted on the site by the new owner but in regards to having a proven, working product ... generaqlly no.

    Finally, traffic .... no i say the site is new, assume no traffic and no income! - but in my sales pitch i will point out the keyword in the domain name and that by ranking in the top 10 of google you could expect an estimate of xxxx's visitors per week.

    Remember, just because its taken you a day or 2 to produce the website doesn't mean what you sell should be crappy or poor quality. -

    Oh, and one more thing - the income i quote isn't going to be the same for everybody - it depends how "blackhat" you want to be - i myself try to provide a quality service to all my customers and quality should flow through your keyword research, domain choice, your design for the site, the basic SEO of the site, your flippa sales pitch, your customer support, and most importantly (in my opinion) your after sales!
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 3
  12. blackjack

    blackjack Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2007
    Messages:
    276
    Likes Received:
    51
    Hi Carlx

    Great reply, much appreciated.

    Where do you find these type of buyers?


    This would be great. I love to know your method about flipping in 3 hrs.

    What is your opinion on flipping sites using expiring domain names?
     
  13. darkeggx

    darkeggx Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    474
    Likes Received:
    49
    Location:
    10100
    wow this thread really took off.
     
  14. hameem

    hameem Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2011
    Messages:
    1,880
    Likes Received:
    985
    Location:
    221B Baker Street
    @carlx:

    I have asked questions on other threads about buying sites from dp and seling them on flippa. Have you ever tried that?

    Another question, I can do micro niche kw research and dig up kws with 1500 local searches, cpc over $1, low competition in terms of seo etc. I can also write unique contents myself. Do you think a site like that would sell on flippa? If you do, what niche and price range would you suggest?
     
  15. carlx

    carlx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    88
    To answer your questions, i don't "find" less experienced types of buyers .... they find you. It's simple really, because your site isn't making money, it is virtually brand new - any experienced buyer will avoid it because unless the domain name is EMD for a killer keyword then its value is virtually nothing to them.
    - Inexperienced buyers LOVE to dream, so like i mentioned before, a good sales pitch that really sells the dream (the ultimate potential of the website) is what gets them bidding!

    I tend not to sell expiring domain names, however i don't see this being much of a problem, after all its less than $10 for a domain - it could also work to your advantage if you could create some income for a few days and then sell it with that (brand new sites can't show income on flippa, an aged domain would be be able to - even if you've only had it live for a few days! -- REMEMBER, SELL THE DREAM, so do whatever you need to do to accomplish that!)
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  16. carlx

    carlx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    88
    I personally havent tried buying sites on digitalpoint and then flipping them on flippa.
    As long as you purchase for a cheap price, then increase its potential value and then write a sexy little sales pitch, there is no reason you won't turn a profit PLUS - YOU CAN DO AFTER SALES and after sales = more money.

    I do appologise for rambling on about after sales - but that is where the real money is in Insta-Flips

    A micro niche with unique content can sell on Flippa - ANHYTHING can sell on flippa, i've seen some really awful sites sell on flippa purely because they have some killer sales pitches!

    If you are able to write to a good standard i suggest you invest in a book on sales pitches, i myself have a few of them that teach different things and they are a brilliant asset and improves writing in general.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 5
  17. hameem

    hameem Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2011
    Messages:
    1,880
    Likes Received:
    985
    Location:
    221B Baker Street
    Thanks again.

    Do you know any guide/tutorial/ebook on writing effective or attractive sales pitches?
     
  18. carlx

    carlx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    88
    I have some hardcopy books but im sure a search would find ebooks on the subject. - I may have seen a few in the downloads section of BHW a while ago, do a search on the download section for sales pitch or search amazon and then whatever book you find do a search on ebook section of warez-bb or torrents.

    Happy Christmas.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  19. Majin95

    Majin95 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    134
    Location:
    Paris,France
    Hi carlx, thanks for sharing these informations. I'm making clickbank sites and i think i will try to flip some of them. I hope you will an in depth post about fast flipping :)
     
  20. rodnice1

    rodnice1 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2011
    Messages:
    283
    Likes Received:
    25
    Occupation:
    business student/business man
    Location:
    East Coast USA
    That is a key to sales. Dont try to hit a home run at first all the time. You can hit em with a small sale first. They feel comfortable with you, then you sell them follow up services left and right.