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Programmer that doesn't know where to start

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by tgart, Jul 7, 2012.

  1. tgart

    tgart Newbie

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    My background, I have been programming professionally since 1997, I have over a decade of enterprise level programming experience, even in the affiliate marketing world. I would say there probably isn't a program I couldn't write including things like 3d game engines and image reading weak captcha bypassing. I want to get into the online marketing world for myself but I have no idea where I should start looking. I have been lurking on here for years and years and I figured I would finally post and see what you guys think.

    So what do you think? what should I start researching and getting into to make money? :)
     
  2. nipunn12

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    Teach programming over here for free. That will get you respect over here
     
  3. tgart

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    I can easily teach programming, and have been known to take on students from time to time. Are you talking about you, personally, or you mean in general?
     
  4. CoyoteAssassin

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    Here are my thoughts.


    • Offer your services on Fiverr.com to quickly build your portfolio.
    • Create a profile on Odesk, ScriptLance, Freelancer.com to get high-profile project experience.
    • Post some of the scripts you made (above) onto BHW to build a reputation.
    • Get suggestions for a app that people would like to see and post it for free in a new thread.

    After you do that, people will naturally find you and start sending you job request.

    Once you feel that you are "in", create a sales thread and post examples of work and allow people to hire you. It will happen.

    Do not teach for free. You are not a charity. If people want to truly learn, they will pay for it. There are enough places online where they can learn to program. This would consume a lot of time for you only to help your new competition.

    Also, make a full list of services you can provide. The more you list, the more likely someone will hire you.
     
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  5. Chris22

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    Forget you are a programmer for a while. Get studying, learn and implement methods you read about on this forum. Once you have the basics down, figure out how you can automate some of these and even sell automation software to others.

    Edit: Don't listen to people who tell you to get work on freelance/odesk. You are a professional, websites like these damage and devalue our industry.
     
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  6. NikosX

    NikosX Power Member

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    Best suggestion is to take some methods from money making section and try them for 1-2 weeks each.


    When you find one that actually makes you money (but be carefull here, you have to twist and try) then
    try to make a bot program to automate the process of money making and expand horizontally.


    Cheers
     
  7. CoyoteAssassin

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    So you are telling him to hold off on making money using skills he has TODAY and instead, learn something that he may not understand for the next YEAR?

    That is not wise advice for anyone. He should do both, but the script he creates today will not tarnish his reputation tomorrow. In most cases, they do not compete with one another
     
  8. tgart

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    Sorry CoyoteAssassin, I might not have explained my position accurately, I am already pulling down 6 figures as an expert programmer, I have created affiliate payout systems, credit card processing software and continuity systems, crms, bots, dropship/doba software. I have worked as CTO for a few companies, one was a very well known persona in the "work from home" market. I just haven't ever done anything solo, I have always been the tech that makes all the multi-million dollar projects and never saw the big percentages. I have come into some extra free time in my life and was looking for more of advice in which direction I should look into.
     
  9. tgart

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    which methods work with automating and expanding horizontally. Most of my experience has been in the clickbank product style approach, pay to build a product, write some sales copy (which I am pretty good at honestly) and have a design made, throw it up and try to get some affiliates interested, etc.
     
  10. Misfit

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    I am a programmer too. And I can guarantee you that there is a lot more money to be made from being good at getting certain terms to the top of the search engines than there is in programming for a salary.

    There is nothing as sweet as making money appear out of thin air on the internet.

    Don't waste your time on Fiverr or offering your services for free or even for money. It is all a dead end. You need to figure out the basics of getting keywords to rank in the search engines, and then figure out your own unique approach to automate the work.

    The best way to get started is pick any topic with keywords worth at least $1 per click that interests you. Buy a domain, start a blog about it, write some great content and get at least one little lousy keyword to the first 5 pages of google. It doesn't need to be the golden keyword that gets a million searches like "widgets" it can be a phrase like "little blue widgets to stick up your nose". Just make sure that phrase gets 1,000 searches a month.

    When you see your page in the first 5 pages of google search results. Redo the page add more content, comments, and put something on their to try and make money. In my experience affiliate programs are a much bigger revenue generator than adsense but either is fine.

    OK so now you are in the game, but basically still nowhere. Time to build some backlinks to that page. You don't need 10,000 that will hurt you more than help you. Manually go out and build 20 - 50 relevant good backlinks from different types of sources. Keep building until you are on the first page. This really shouldn't be that hard unless you are trying for poker or drugs.

    Being on the first page of google with a good keyword phrase that is worth at least $1 per click and gets 1000 searches should yield you a few dollars per month. The first time it will be tons of work for a few dollars. But if you can accomplish that...... You can make money appear out of thin air.

    Use your programming skills to automate the process as much as possible, repeat 10,000 times and it will be raining money
     
  11. nipunn12

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    Or paid courses. You can freelance for sometime until you are sure that even people on the internet are satisfied with your work. Then you can just create a site and hire / train others to do the work.
     
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    Or just hack some guys site and change his adsense code to yours :p
     
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  13. tgart

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    Ha, I actually DO have access to some javascript installed on a couple fortune 500 websites ;) but no, I wouldn't do it :)
     
  14. mudbutt

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    Do you have a skype? I have a pretty big project if you're interested.
     
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    I do, but I don't have enough posts to PM yet, can you PM me?
     
  16. CoyoteAssassin

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    For the moment, this may be an OK place to post this.

    I hired someone on Friday to may a script that supports reCaptcha support. He said he would have everything to me by time I wake up. So today, he sends me a .xls file of 80 contact listings. The project on ScriptLance said that I needed a scraper made with reCaptcha support. After I emailed him and told him that it was not correct, he asked if I could help him learn how to implement this. If I new, I wouldn't need his help...

    tgart - do you have experience with this?

    Anyone else? PM or post.
     
  17. tgart

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    If i had a crack for recaptcha I could sell, I wouldn't need to be posting this ;) The problem with recaptcha is that nowadays one or both of the words isn't even a dictionary word.. so you can't create a probability chart against a dictionary file to make educated guesses. Best course would be to maybe have an app tied into a graphics library you might be able to apply some filters like trying to make the height of each letter the same and do something with it like passing different sized boxes over the image and get sub-images and try to get an OCR library to find a single letter, but I feel that could take quite a long time to test and implement.
     
  18. xtube

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    I sent you a PM, lets talk! :)
     
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    Tgart, have you tried mobile marketing? I'm guessing you are already a senior programmer. Why don't you develop a game/productivity app in iOS and/or android.
     
  20. CoyoteAssassin

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    I'm sure that there is no a crack that exists. Someone can simply implement the DeathByCaptcha service. At this very moment, they are running 87.6% correct.