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Problems with SEO services

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by markdissel1992, May 15, 2014.

  1. markdissel1992

    markdissel1992 Junior Member

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    Am i the only one with problems with the SEO services here? Everyone is hard to contact, make false promises (next week ready, already waiting for a month) etc.. Spend about $1000 on different services for different websites but none got up, they are all dropping. Always had average results (good seo low backlinks), but now everything is dropping.
     
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    There are 2 problems

    1. Clients expecting miracles for $$ or $$$
    2. Services "approved by Hummingbird" or "Penguin and Panda killers"
     
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    Always have clear expectations what you can expect when you buy a service that you buy & check the reputation of the seller and read the reviews (right till the last page).

    If you think it's too good to be true, most of the times it isn't.
     
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    That is one of the disadvantages for clients who hired a SEO agency that only provides monthly reports.

    From day 1 - day 29, there are blind and not knowing what is going on until their monthly report arrive.

    Unless, the clients are technical savvy and knows what SEO is and have their own ranking checker and knows how to use Ahrefs or Majestic
    BUT most of the times 90% of the clients don't.
     
  7. BassTrackerBoats

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    If you are using multiple services with poor results and they are all off site SEO services, perhaps your pin site is actually the issue.
     
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    I am using a couple of providers here and totally smashing it in the rankings.
     
  9. Danny1111

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    I agree with BTB - you probably have on-site issues - and when your buying Seo Services - they are building too many links too quickly ...... like a double barrelled shotgun at your Site.

    also these days Content is King for a Site and the distribution of that content - so there's a few things for you to look at.
     
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    Ask the seller for previous business and successes hes had, you have to know what you are getting before going in..
     
  11. markdissel1992

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    I asked everyone their successes and the threads are also full of good reviews. My websites are always fully optimized for on-page seo. Without the SEO services my website rank average, for competitive keywords around #15, and because i wanted to get in the top 10, i ordered some (expensive) services for different sites. None of them really worked. I think it's very strange. I have a foreign (dutch) website, could that be a problem?
     
  12. markdissel1992

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    What kind of services do you use?
     
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    What make you think it is OP problem than the sellers here?
     
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  14. pahosa

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    When hiring SEO services, I believe the best way is to get informed first. Get to know what works and what doesn't. This is because some of these "experts" may overwhelm you with terms like "Penguin" "Panda", all sounding like a zoo and you have no clue what that is all about.
     
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    You must understand a few things....

    First of all many seller provide seo services not seo campaign.... They provide the services but you need to build up your campaign.... The ones that provide you a seo campaign costs $$$$ if not even $$.$$$.

    Second I never saw a guy here or anywhere saying that the service he got is not working and in the same time they always say that their sites are 100% perfect and the problem is only with that service..... Really....? I used services in my campaigns and if a service work for one website is not guaranteed that it will work for a second one....

    EX:.. I can use a service that build 100 High PR backlinks for a website that is new and on a low competition kw and the use the same on a old website on a competitive kw and get no results... why? Because on the second one my competitors have 100.000 backlinks and my 100 means nothing
    EX:.. I can use a service that provide 1.000.000 blog comments backlinks and on the old website and get great results and then use the same service on the new websites and get busted...

    Third... You got no experience..... if someone will say that this service is panda.. etc proof then this service should be avoided.. why? becouse no one can tell if something can work on an algorithm since he doesn't know the algo... he can assume but as previous said is never the same....

    So.... take your time, read.. learn.. make tests and then you will see that things will start to change...
     
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    I would think that helping you with onsite for mose SEO providers here would be an issue due to the Dutch language but ranking them if the onsite is solid is not hard at all. That being said, yoiu used a lot of services so there could be some penalties in place due to the extreme amount of links that are now in place.
     
  17. markdissel1992

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    I never said my sites are 100% perfect, and i never asked for a reply like that. I just found out that none of the services i am using is working good for me. Rankings are all going down. Furthermore, i just asked people if i am the only one. Please stop reply with "you have no experience". Duh, i am not starting a thread for fun.
     
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    There are some great seo services on this forum, so make sure you research before proceeding with your order. There might be some that may fail to deliver, but again, you could have avoided them if you researched.
     
  19. timothywcrane

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    I agree that it might seem that there is a lot more work to ranking your sites than it should be, even if it is not you doing the work.

    Part of the "art" of doing SEO is understanding that the hardest part is the research and prep it takes to put together a functional campaign, and then finding the right people to do the work on it.

    My eyes are red and my urine is orange from drinking energy drinks and going on a 48hr research binge trying to put together a team of SEO and content providers to begin offering standard packages for clients,

    let alone to formulate anything custom for individual needs. 48 hours of researching threads on only this forum, reading every single word in the threads,

    sending out friend requests to those that I hoped would be responsive and responsible, and creating a spreadsheet of product and contact information

    so that I can move onto the next step of contacting them with some questions.

    I read the replies to try and gauge thier views of thier own clients, response times, attitudes, attention to detail, ability to deliver, and communication skills.

    While you may simply be dissapointed with your ranking ability, I have found that these other factors play a major role in finding those providers that care

    enough about thier product reputation to follow through. None of them give a shit about your or my website, get that straight from the get go and you will be ahead of the game.

    I am not trying to sound jaded, but having this mindset can same you a lot of heartache. You have to find the ones that care about thier own businesses.

    Those who do not care about thier own reputation can simply whip up a screenshot of "anything" you want to see and throw an order form in front of you.

    This is BHW after all. Do not get me wrong, there are a lot of good providers here, but they are not charities, and it is the responsibility of the website

    campaign manager to collect and utilize the right resources for the outcome they or thier client desires.

    I have no doubt that you may have seen a fall in rankings due to using the wrong provider, perhaps in the wrong fashion, or simply sub par providers.

    There is no way for me to tell, so do not think that I am trying to "call your bluff" or anything of the sort. SEO is a tough game, and the ability to find

    quality ranking schemes and services IS getting harder and harder, for all of us. If I might offer a simple suggestion that might help you out.

    Many people are finding it harder to get traffic, especially with constant ranking algorythm changes and linking programs being outed.

    What a lot of people have been doing in an effort to sidestep these realities is changing thier focus to CTR optimization a lot more than they have done in the past,

    so that they can maximize the traffic that they do get more effectively. With more and more traffic coming from social media,

    as well as social medias higher engagement over Search engine traffic, optimizing your content and real estate based on CTR and engagement

    will not only make your traffic more effective, but also help your social signaling, which in turn will help you in the SERPS.

    Maybe a good A-B testing services, Some gripping imagery, or some higher quality content with a focus on human relational copywriting for sales and CTR

    might be a better buck spent than another Link blast. I do not have all of the answers, especially with my lack of knowledge of your situation,

    but what you are feeling is something that I think every SEoer has felt sometime in thier career.

    I am sorry that you happen to be experiencing it after BHW purchases, but I truly feel that it is not a specifically BHW problem,

    and I hope you stick around. I hope that I have been helpful in some way.
     
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  20. Techxan

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    If you PM me your site and keywords, I will take a look.