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Penguin update and Negative SEO

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by sikandar, Jun 15, 2012.

  1. sikandar

    sikandar Senior Member

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    Matt Cutts in the past has always maintained that Negative SEO is not really possible. Only recently he is changing his statement. He also keeps on saying Penguin update is not associated with any 'penalty'. So, just to test it out, I blasted about 4 different sites ranking in the top page of Google for keywords with search volume around 6000 per day - with 10,000 xrummer links.

    All the sites went from 1st page to nowhere in just 2 days .. They have not recovered even after a week. If the new algorithm really pushed good authority sites to the top, these sites should not go down so easily with just 1 blast of xrummer. It also shows that Google is not discounting bad links, but penalizing the sites. It just shows how Google's penguin update is so vulnerable to Negative SEO. It also shows the lack of foresight of Google engineers who were involved in designing these new updates.
     
  2. Santa Claus

    Santa Claus Registered Member

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    I did something very similar and the sites got hit too.

    But one of them recovered, now think of it like this:
    1 - you will cause damage if you create enough links
    2 - but they may recover by creating enough high quality backlinks
    3 - so you may end up helping these sites
    4 - unless you are prepared to create even more SPAM

    If you consider how hard it is to create good backlinks, negative SEO is almost guaranteed. But there's a bigger problem, what if Google fixes this loophole in the upcoming months and your competitors become super strong? The only workaround would be to create one dummy site for each niche you negative SEO your competitor, so you also negative SEO your dummy site. Making you Google-loophole-fix-proof.

    Also I did read on SE Land that Matt Cutts said they are considering creating a tool for you to say you don't approve some links http://searchengineland.com/live-blog-you-a-with-matt-cutts-at-smx-advanced-123513 so if you spend time and money NSEOing your competition, it may be time wasted in the long run.
     
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  3. sikandar

    sikandar Senior Member

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    Thanks Santa for sharing your experience with negative SEO. Well, my point was not about doing negative SEO to get your competitiors down; I just wanted to share that what Google engineers talk in praise of the update is all bullshit.
     
  4. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    10k links is nothing at all. It's pretty easy to do 100k profiles to a site.
    I've done this, pinged them for 48 hours straight (non-stop under a VPN) and it works brilliantly.

    The algorithm is extremely sensitive to this behavior.
    I did this in Nov 2011 with marvelous results, and I can only assume it works even better now.
     
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    So when did you do this blat & are you still ranking well?
     
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    You will only be able to do this through WMT. Google trying to muscle WMT upon us, or kiss your rankings goodbye.

    Google is losing it's credibility fast.
     
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    Well what you experienced isn't Penguin but Panda ;).

    Penguin is a filter which is refreshed once a month or so
     
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    mccullum Power Member

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    I think they finally decided that negative seo will only affect the small fishes. And they do not care about that. They are happy as long as the big fishes are safe and swimming.
     
  9. ashishthakkar

    ashishthakkar Junior Member

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    It has been 2 weeks now. Are they still gone ?

    Any recovery ?
     
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    G engineers know that negative SEO works but they are not gonna stop it because MNS owners will do negative SEO to their competitors and many MNSs will disappear from top10 remaining only the authority sites in top10. That way the MNS owners will do the job for G. So in a few words G turned negative SEO against black hatters and MNS owners.
     
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