PBN Hosting with no footprints for Google

Hey guys, so as I just read @vishyjames awesome tutorial on how to build out a PBN, I came up with some questions regarding how to host these PBN's the best and cheapest way possible..

This is my situation:

• I am planning on having 2 money sites, each created with their own dedicated IP, not shared IP/hosting. Not sure if it matters if they are created on the same hosting registrar, but different accounts. One of the money sites was created almost a year ago, and has maybe 500-1500 visitors pr. month. Would be awesome to rank this (Money Site 1) up via the use of a PBN, and then I plan on creating a 2nd money site, as I already mentioned..
• Now, creating this PBN, seems like it requires quite some effort and money to get this going, but anyway, I am fully dedicated on making this work. My question about PBNs, is boiling down to: Do I really have to buy an individual (shared ip) hosting plan for each domain that I plan on using as a PBN? (of course from different hosting companies, so I leave no footprints)..

So if I understand a PBN correctly.
It can be visualized, as some sort of a box, and inside of this box, I have several websites, depends on how many money sites I have. The more money sites I have, the bigger my "PBN box" is, because the more money sites I have, the more PBN websites I need, in order to rank these different money sites.

Now in order for me to stay out of Googles PBN algorithm or whatever you want to call it, I need to spread out these PBN websites on different hosting registrars.

So let's say we have:

• PBN #1 = Includes. 2 websites on same hosting account / IP (*Website 1 and 2)
• PBN #2 = Includes. 2 websites on same hosting account / IP (*Website 3 and 4)

Which is then equal to = 4 websites.
And then of course 2 (main) money websites, besides these 4 websites.
And I want these 4 websites to pass link juice to my money sites of course.

PBN #1 is hosted on Bluehost
and
PBN #2 is hosted on A2Hosting.com

(Just as an example)..

The links from these 2 websites inside of PBN #1 cannot go to the same money site, as that would be shady in Googles eyes, since the websites in PBN #1 are registered on the same IP..

PBN#1:
So I have to link (Website 1*) to (Money Site 1) and (Website 2*) to (Money Site 2).

And in PBN #2 I have to link:
(Website 3*) to (Money Site 1) and (Website 4*) to (Money Site 2)

That means only 2 links in total to each money site..
That is not a lot.
Is there no way to do this cheaper?

I feel like this is really cryptic haha, is there something I misunderstand here, or is it just expensive?
Because in his thread: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/the-no-nonsense-guide-to-building-your-pbn-in-2017.944503/
He mentions that there is a cheap method, but it's like my brain can't really comprehend it, I am probably overthinking this too much?

Would love to get an answer to my question here

Thanks in advance.
I know this thread is structured rather cryptically, but I'm just confused.

When looking for hosting your PBNs just think this way.

Had it been your money site how would you have hosted. You would look for a good host in good neighborhood. So go and do the same thing with your PBNs. Additionally, keep your IPs different, keep your location different & possibly get onto shared hosting packages of big hosting companies. Additionally, keep away from those companies who promises to give you all this but won't say how.

Use different hosting from top level providers and keep track of the login details.

Thats it. Don't over think it

710fla said:

Use different hosting from top level providers and keep track of the login details.

Thats it. Don't over think it

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On each domain/site that I plan on linking to my money site?

@globalseopoint

I do not understand the part you say to "possibly get onto shared hosting packages of big hosting companies". If I buy a hosting in these big companies, would not I be getting ip`s shared?

Could you explain the relationship between the necessary IPs in this process and the hosting packages?

Thanks

duendeee said:

@globalseopoint

I do not understand the part you say to "possibly get onto shared hosting packages of big hosting companies". If I buy a hosting in these big companies, would not I be getting ip`s shared?

Could you explain the relationship between the necessary IPs in this process and the hosting packages?

Thanks

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Yes, you will be getting shared IPs, that is the whole point. Hide your PBNs in plain sight. Imagine a shared hosting server of hostgator, bluehost, dreamhost, justhost, jaguarpc etc and your site will be among hundreds of real money sites (its obvious because PBNs cannot afford those premium hosting anyways). Rather having a dedicated IP for all your PBNs is a bad idea. If i am Google, i will be surprised to find all your backlinks coming from dedicated IPs, just think about it. In real world not all bloggers and money sites are hosted on dedicated IPs

korbes said:

On each domain/site that I plan on linking to my money site?

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Yes, exactly. That's the best way to do PBNs

I'd recommend to use cloud hosting (Digitalocean, Vultr, Rackspace, Linode, AWS) + RunCloud.io - it's a bit more expensive and a tad more complicated to set up, but you will get a unique IP per droplet (PBN domain) from a big array of datacenters for 2.5 - 5$ / month. Furthermore, it's super convenient for backups & scaling.

janist said:

I'd recommend to use cloud hosting (Digitalocean, Vultr, Rackspace, Linode, AWS) + RunCloud.io - it's a bit more expensive and a tad more complicated to set up, but you will get a unique IP per droplet (PBN domain) from a big array of datacenters for 2.5 - 5$ / month. Furthermore, it's super convenient for backups & scaling.

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You may need to mix it up. All your PBN IPs being dedicated IPs is a flag for me. If i am google that is an easy method of identification and flag them for reviews. Either you are a high quality high traffic site on its own IP giving you links which obviously a PBN is not. Hide your PBNs in plain sight so that it never ever gets a flag, once it gets flagged for manual review assume the life is shortened

globalseopoint said:

You may need to mix it up. All your PBN IPs being dedicated IPs is a flag for me. If i am google that is an easy method of identification and flag them for reviews. Either you are a high quality high traffic site on its own IP giving you links which obviously a PBN is not. Hide your PBNs in plain sight so that it never ever gets a flag, once it gets flagged for manual review assume the life is shortened

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I respectfully disagree. We saw less indexation on cloud hosting (~1%) compared to shared hosting (~3%) and the advantages of cloud hosts just outweigh the shared hosting. having said that, both are viable options for your PBNs.

from what I understand, the business is diversifying...

@janist
What is the source of this data? (~1% and ~3%)

janist said:

I respectfully disagree. We saw less indexation on cloud hosting (~1%) compared to shared hosting (~3%) and the advantages of cloud hosts just outweigh the shared hosting. having said that, both are viable options for your PBNs.

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Is that from your own testing ? Because from convenience point of view cloud hosting is definitely better but from footprint point of view it gives away a lot of stuff to search engines, dedicated IP, IP ownership etc are just few of them, there are lot more. But then if you find its working for you then you are doing something right

Yes, it's just anecdotal data - based on around 500 domains.

IP ownership lies with the hosting company anyway - so there's no difference using shared hosting or cloud hosting in that aspect. Of course you shouldn't use just one cloud hosting provider. So I don't think having a dedicated IP from cloud hosts is a footprint, quite the contrary. But then again, that was my whole point.

korbes said:

PBN#1:
So I have to link (Website 1*) to (Money Site 1) and (Website 2*) to (Money Site 2).

And in PBN #2 I have to link:
(Website 3*) to (Money Site 1) and (Website 4*) to (Money Site 2)

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Nobody answered the question, but I think this is correct OP.

One of those guides mentioned diversifying your niches so you could make better use of your money.

I'm assuming that means creating a third money site at some point, so you can create a third pbn network.

I hope that's right because I'm doing the same thing.

Just use EBN... check their thread on marketplace!!!