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Panda algorithm not actually algorithm?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by DustinSD, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. DustinSD

    DustinSD Registered Member

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    Does anyone else believe that the "Panda algorithm updates" are bullshit and that they are just the results from the massive manual rating teams Google pays to constantly evaluate and re-evaluate search results? I think there is a small amount of input from some new algorithmic change, but that most of the downward movement you see after a "Panda update" comes from manual ratings. It's widely known that a huge percentage all searches are for a relatively small number of terms. It's more than logistically possible to manually review the first several results for all these terms. I'm sure a lot of you have seen the actual training document that Google's contractor for these ratings uses

    coolbubba .com/ GoogleRatingGuidelines .pdf

    If you really read the document, it's made clear to the reviewers that their input will directly affect a website's SERP.

    There are entire sections of the document dedicated to teaching the reviewers how to evaluate a website in the exact same way Google claims Panda works.


    Yeah, that's right, they're even instructing the raters to manually seek out duplicate content

    That sort of flies in the face of the idea that Google's algorithm is a master at automatically finding copied content. Obviously they don't have an algorithmic solution, otherwise they wouldn't be paying humans to perform quotation searches to check for duplicate content. What a joke!

    And it's obvious why Google pays a third party contractor to perform these reviews, rather than simply have an in-house team do it - they have to shield themselves from anti-trust violations! If they performed these ratings themselves, they could be sued by the government for manipulating the market!

    While other search engines do use these outside contractors too, I think Google is simply better at weighting and applying the results to their SERPS. Their big breakthrough was probably finding an algorithm that could confirm, weight, and incorporate manual ratings, and this is what they call "Panda".
     
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  2. DamageX

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    Panda is a filter.
     
  3. casius

    casius Junior Member

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    I make websites and still making them the same way using the old methodology and guess what Google still indexing them the old way as it was, so yes I agree with you that Panda might be the propaganda against all the SEO thingies :)
     
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    Sure it is filter, but if you do the interesting stuff and good linking, when why it should filter the interesting website? You see some of the websites are full of crap (well probably 90% of them), so to make things easier they have developed Panda, which does its job to filter that 90% crap.
     
  5. Getwhatchuwant

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    Look at what Panda did to one of my sites:
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    DamageX Elite Member

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    Panda isn't related to backlinks, its main concern is on-page metrics and content.
     
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    Thanks OP for this link. Does anybody have more regarding these so-called human contractors and how they are hired? This sounds like the old Yahoo model and I wonder how many keywords they actually impact and what they are.
     
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    bigmex Newbie

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    Your suspicions aside, I think these would be great guidelines for any of us to follow in an effort to create quality websites. Give the people(the users & big G) what they want.
     
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    For the billions of websites out there? I don't think so, not humanly possible.
     
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    I actually did this job for Google about 12 months ago and I was recruited through a company called Lionbridge recruitment.
     
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    I've actually heard of LionBridge working with Google on manual reviews.

    But do they have anything to do with the Panda?
     
  12. DustinSD

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    There's no need to check every website, they only need to check the top results for the top search terms. Almost half of all searches are made for a relatively small number of terms. With a large team, this wouldn't take long at all.

    At the very least, Google uses the manual ratings to feed the "machine learning" aspects of Panda they're so proud of, then applies the rules universally.
     
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    You are partly right. Google had a bunch of human raters, showed them a bunch of sites, asked them if they liked them, trusted them, etc., then using the data they got they tried to find the characteristics of the good and the bad website, so that the evaluation can be done by machines. That's why it may look like it's human raters. Search for Navneet Panda..
     
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    I think the third party manual reviews and PANDA are in place to compliment each other. Think about it, it makes sense.
     
  16. DustinSD

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    Agreed.
     
  17. DustinSD

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    I am aware of the machine learning that Google likes to tout. But that doesn't mean they can't directly apply the manual ratings to high volume search terms, while applying the machine-learned filters universally.
     
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    i have a good friend who is really good at seo who thinks the same as the op. I dont believe it though. I think its algo...
     
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    Humans are the best Artificial Intelligence machines out there, properly trained human will do better than any algorithm. Therefore any new algorithm relies on human feedback, Panda is no different.
     
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    Panda has some new quality metrics and devaluated inbound links.
    Also the bigest change is that site is rated by its weakest page.