Package / Parcel shipping - Problem

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Hey guys,

so I´m highly inspired and motivated by the following thread of @cblunt1947 :
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/ebay-journey-to-30-000-in-sales-a-month.1032210/page-10#post-11621754

I did some research over the last couple of days and I´ve hit rock-bottom with my ideas.
Shipping from Germany is hella expensive.
I´ve already asked that question in the thread mentioned above and a user suggested me a fulfillment center in the USA, but for the start I don´t think that´s worth it.

-> Free Shipping helps ranking up and gaining sales, but with 15€-18€ (or even more) shipping, I wouldn´t have any margin at all or would have a pretty high price compared to my competitors.

If anyone got a solution to my problem, I´d appreciate a reply. :)
 
Well, idk why this has been moved..
It´s not about Dropshipping BECAUSE it´s about sending the parcels, but sure if anyone can help me in here it´s fine :)
 
Is anyone able to help me out? :)
 
Well, idk why this has been moved..
It´s not about Dropshipping BECAUSE it´s about sending the parcels, but sure if anyone can help me in here it´s fine :)
It was moved to dropshipping, because that's what you should do. :) Of course your prices won't be competitive, if you ship from a country, where shipping is expensive. There's no workaround, if you want to handle the storage and shipping yourself, you'll need to pay the prices of the sender country. You may be able to get cheaper rates, if you have a contract with a courier service and do volume. The other option is selling exclusive products, which are available only in Germany, in that case the shipping prices are the same for every seller, so you aren't handicapped.
 
First off, thanks to both of you for your replies, @AceWallGromit @HoNeYBiRD



It was moved to dropshipping, because that's what you should do. :)
In the past, I haven´t had good experiences with sellers from AliExpress / their packaging in general, that´s why I want to bulk order from Alibaba and fulfill the packages myself.
I didn´t want to use a fulfillment center either, because it would cut even more of my profit margin.

There's no workaround, if you want to handle the storage and shipping yourself, you'll need to pay the prices of the sender country. You may be able to get cheaper rates, if you have a contract with a courier service and do volume
I´ve thought same, but after a few hours of product research and competitor comparison, I noticed that some other sellers from Germany are able to deliver products for such a cheap price (and the product was the same I found on AliBaba).
I´ve done the math on some of the products and either they have a below 1.50€ margin (at least on the offers I´ve analyzed) or they have a hella cheap shipping ... and that would bring us back to the original question: How did they get such cheap shipping? Even with DHL Business, I could´t reach their shipping.

The other option is selling exclusive products, which are available only in Germany, in that case the shipping prices are the same for every seller, so you aren't handicapped.
Could you make an example? :)


Just target your own country.
Thought of the same. When I would ship "light items"; I could send them via "package letter" (idk how to translate it) which would only cost 1.50€ or smth like that.
Sure, that would be a solution and I guess I´m gonna start with that.


Another question arose when I´ve written my replies:
Do you know whether I can dropship products directly from AliBaba to Amazon FBA?
Depending on the product and size of the order, Chinese sellers pack their products twice or multiple times. Does Amazon unpack it to the core so they just store the products?
 
I noticed that some other sellers from Germany are able to deliver products for such a cheap price (and the product was the same I found on AliBaba).
Aren't they do dropshipping by any chance?
Could you make an example? :)
Not really, i'm not from Germany. There must be products, which get manufactured there and not available anywhere else. More than likely it won't be cheap Chinese shit, so there's that. :)
 
Aren't they do dropshipping by any chance?
That´s a point. They could be dropshipping as I don´t know how long the shipping time is..

Not really, i'm not from Germany. There must be products, which get manufactured there and not available anywhere else. More than likely it won't be cheap Chinese shit, so there's that. :)
Sure, but i can´t think of anything that wouldn´t be able to produced outside of Germany? ^^


Either way, do you know the answer to my last question?:
Another question arose when I´ve written my replies:
Do you know whether I can dropship products directly from AliBaba to Amazon FBA?
Depending on the product and size of the order, Chinese sellers pack their products twice or multiple times. Does Amazon unpack it to the core so they just store the products?
 
Start in Germany and expand. If you have a product that people want, people will pay to ship it.
 
Start in Germany and expand
Sure.

If you have a product that people want, people will pay to ship it.
No. If I expand and I got a product people like (from AliBaba) there will be a competitor who can underbid me due to the Shipping.
But the odds that I find a product, that does sell well, nobody is offering worldwide / America and is "worth expanding" are pretty low anyways.

But yeah, starting with Germany is a pretty neat way to do it.

Still, does anyone know the answer to my question concerning Amazon FBA?
 
No you build up a brand and a following people will buy it. Its about finding a USP for your product.

To answer your question about FBA. To my knowledge NO you can't do that.
 
No you build up a brand and a following people will buy it. Its about finding a USP for your product.

To answer your question about FBA. To my knowledge NO you can't do that.
Well, with an e-bay or Amazon business with items from AliBaba I won´t have a unique selling point, because it comes from a manufacturer.
 
Shipped white label though if its AliExpress? So the chance to put your own digital spin on it, it's not hard if your selling a dog toy and come up with word play to make it the best sounding dog toy in the world even though it looks like all the others. Most TVs are the same it's only the brand name that's different..

AliBaba if your buying there in bulk just ask them to brand it at the factory we do that all the time. Or get a price to ship it to another packaging company in China then have it all shipped once done. < No point doing that if your single volumn price works out fine on 50k units +
 
Sure, but i can´t think of anything that wouldn´t be able to produced outside of Germany? ^^
There must be exclusive, lesser known clothing brands, jewellery, watches, chocolate, beverage etc. I don't know German brands well, but if you're a native, you must know of one or two.
 
Shipped white label though if its AliExpress? So the chance to put your own digital spin on it, it's not hard if your selling a dog toy and come up with word play to make it the best sounding dog toy in the world even though it looks like all the others. Most TVs are the same it's only the brand name that's different..

AliBaba if your buying there in bulk just ask them to brand it at the factory we do that all the time. Or get a price to ship it to another packaging company in China then have it all shipped once done. < No point doing that if your single volumn price works out fine on 50k units +
Sure, was a miss-communication.
"Branding" is one thing, but "building up a brand" is something else. At least for me, there´s a difference between those two.

Moreover, that still doesn´t fix my shipping problem.
If we take the dog toy as an example:


//Just random selected this product because of it´s product picture. With just $4,000 transactions, they don´t seem like the best partner, but whatever.
Imagine me buying https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Cute-Animals-Pet-Toys-Honking-Squirrel_60796989511.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normalList.20.77d0265anS3LB0&s=p 100 times.
That´s an investment of $46.00 + shipping to Germany (???)
Once arrived, I need to open the package, get all the items and pack them into own cartons I purchased. Then I need some filling material to protect the goods (well, it´s a dog toy, so in this case probably not, but let´s go with it).
Due to my low amount of packages, I´m not declared as a business and won´t probably get any discount at DHL, so I need to send the packages regularly.
The smallest package / parcel I can order is 3.79€ (-> http://prntscr.com/lvpwbe ; the 4.99€ is including liability)
So by now one of this beautiful dog toys costs me 0.46€ + split up shipping to my place (idk how much) + carton (0.49€ a piece; https://www.verpacking.com/faltkarton-350x240x150-mmhtml?curr=EUR&googlede=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAjNjgBRAgEiwAGLlf2iwVX4T4F_-D-SV2-Z0p_twePrsOe-Pi6CBOBDeegueFYXrjqZKTvBoCGesQAvD_BwE) + filling material (22.25€ for 250 liters; https://www.verpacking.com/Verpackungschips) + duct tape + 4.99€
After looking up "Hundespielzeug" on ebay.de, which is dog toy translated to German, this shows up: http://prntscr.com/lvpxdg
1.99€ - 3.49€ + Free shipping; 17.50€ + 3.95€ shipping (it´s a 20 part dog toy set); 2.49€ - 3.99€ + 3.95€ shipping ... I´ve to note that the last two offers are only available if you pick them up from the delivery station, but whatever.
I wouldn´t be able to compete with them IF I offer free shipping; if however, I don´t offer free shipping, many people say that you won´t get ranked high and/or won´t make many sales. kinda wondered me that from the three top results of that keyword, two include shipping + picking the product up 0.o

With my example provided, I wouldn´t know how to compete with my competitors :/
 
That dog toy you listed you just need a padded envelope nothing else nothing more. It will be fine inside of that. You don't need half the materials you list there for that product.

Some of the things being sold on eBay tend to fall under the following:

1. Is shipped from China by a seller in China using your countries postcode to mask it.
2. People sell at a loss and don't last 12 months
3. People sell at a loss on 1 product in the hope they buy something else.
4. Sell a product on eBay but in the packet you get, you get leaflets to their own website OR sometimes they sell flyer 'space' for another product. So in effect Junk mail which will cover the cost of posting.

If you do research posting costs will drop depending on the courier and volume you post - it's not easy but it can be done.

I would go to auctions and buy liquidated stock and flip it on eBay, look on your local free ads or site that offers free items or even in the local paper, pick up the free items and list them on eBay even for €2 its more on something that's cost you €0

Dog toys - if you wanted to sell them I would find local auctions by you that deal in liquidated stock, in a local auction by me a box of 50 dog toy items sold for less than €6 after fees and tax!

OR alternative is to look at discount stores anything that someone sells for €1 or €2 or less and sell that online.

A real good one for this time of year is to buy 25Kg sacks of bird food (tend to cost here around £12 - 14 in discount stores). Break that down into some brown paper bags into weights of 250g.

Take photos and list it as 'plastic free bird food' upsell in description plastic free everything 100% recyclable etc, good for environment etc etc quality bird seed to keep wild birds fed over winter. I sell that for £2.30 a small bag.

It's about £9.20 per KG I make. £230 from 1 bag of bird food sold to people who don't like plastic and want to save the environment! ;) FREE Idea there and for the forum.
 
I appreciate your full detailed reply. :)


That dog toy you listed you just need a padded envelope nothing else nothing more. It will be fine inside of that. You don't need half the materials you list there for that product.
Right, I´ve done research before this thread and I know what you´re talking about: http://prntscr.com/lvqdq1
Considering that the Alibaba dog toy has the following measurements:
Approx 20 * 6.5
Unfortunately, they haven´t given what system they´re using, we have to guess that it´s 20cm in length and 6.5cm in height? width?
The "Warensendung Kompakt" for 1.30€ seems like the one needed. It has 15cm in height and all these "envelopes" have the same length and width, at least that´s what I can read from them.
Below, there is also the business bulk ordering option, but that´s for a potentially later scale.
This DHL website is JUST for the stamp, the envelope needs to be ordered elsewhere. (https://www.deutschepost.de/de/w/warensendung.html)

Some of the things being sold on eBay tend to fall under the following:

1. Is shipped from China by a seller in China using your countries postcode to mask it.
2. People sell at a loss and don't last 12 months
3. People sell at a loss on 1 product in the hope they buy something else.
4. Sell a product on eBay but in the packet you get, you get leaflets to their own website OR sometimes they sell flyer 'space' for another product. So in effect Junk mail which will cover the cost of posting.
1. Noticed that when I´ve done my research. There was a seller who provided free shipping to Germany and a pretty cheap USA shipping, which is basically not achievable from Germany. When you scrolled down on the product page and click on the shipping settings, he stated he´s shipping from Germany, but in his profile, his position was China ^^
2. /
3. and 4. doesn´t seem like a spread method, at least I haven´t heard much about it. :)

If you do research posting costs will drop depending on the courier and volume you post - it's not easy but it can be done.
Yeah, already done it and I´ve found some alternative shipping providers, but DHL is "the most trustworthy and practicable".
Moreover, if I decide to just ship in Germany and this padded envelope works (I hope the website and envelope I´ve talked about before is the one you meant), I don´t need to search for a cheaper shipping option, because 1.30€ would be a pretty fair and manageable price IF this works out as you stated.

I would go to auctions and buy liquidated stock and flip it on eBay, look on your local free ads or site that offers free items or even in the local paper, pick up the free items and list them on eBay even for €2 its more on something that's cost you €0

Dog toys - if you wanted to sell them I would find local auctions by you that deal in liquidated stock, in a local auction by me a box of 50 dog toy items sold for less than €6 after fees and tax!

OR alternative is to look at discount stores anything that someone sells for €1 or €2 or less and sell that online.

A real good one for this time of year is to buy 25Kg sacks of bird food (tend to cost here around £12 - 14 in discount stores). Break that down into some brown paper bags into weights of 250g.

Take photos and list it as 'plastic free bird food' upsell in description plastic free everything 100% recyclable etc, good for environment etc etc quality bird seed to keep wild birds fed over winter. I sell that for £2.30 a small bag.

It's about £9.20 per KG I make. £230 from 1 bag of bird food sold to people who don't like plastic and want to save the environment! ;) FREE Idea there and for the forum.
I´ve actually read a comment below a YouTube video where someone explained his "short journey", which is basically getting cheap / free items from craigslist and selling them on Amazon or E-Bay.
I appreciate your trick concerning these "penny offers" or "local auctions", but I want to start a proper E-Bay and/or Amazon journey.
Thanks for the bird trick, sounds like a pretty neat technique :eek::)
But probably I´m gonna dig more into the Amazon and/or E-Bay selling.

BTW: Are you selling on E-Bay and/or Amazon yourself? (Besides the bird food)
 
The local auctions you can pick up liquidated stock so business that have closed down and need to sell stock, you can pick up stock to sell on which has cost you almost nothing..

As for packing

https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Padded-Jiffy-Bag/Pr349785001

One of them for a plush (soft) dog toy will be fine. I assume sizes they sent are 20cm long and 6.5cm diameter looking at the image of the product.

This happens loads!

1. Noticed that when I´ve done my research. There was a seller who provided free shipping to Germany and a pretty cheap USA shipping, which is basically not achievable from Germany. When you scrolled down on the product page and click on the shipping settings, he stated he´s shipping from Germany, but in his profile, his position was China ^^



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