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ORM in san francisco?

Discussion in 'Offline Marketing' started by Retraction, Jul 30, 2014.

  1. Retraction

    Retraction Junior Member

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    I live 30 minutes away from San Francisco in a medium sized town and was wondering if I don't land clients in this town, can I do SF? I know its a huge city and someone has already tried 7878 method there, but is it possible because all those business owners probably get 100 mail a day and won't probably see mine. And plus they are expensive, like 1 million dollars+.
     
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    the question you should ask yourself is how do i take the info and technique of the 7878 method and put a twist on it so that these business', that may have already seen an exact copy of that method (wouldnt doubt that has happened), will see the value in yours and decide to use you for seo , or web design, whichever it may be.
     
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  3. Retraction

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    Thanks for the answer. I already have a batch of 50 unfinished letters for my city, so I'm going to see how this is going to work out.
     
  4. BassTrackerBoats

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    50 may be too small a number to get a feel for things... plan on 500 to see if your twist is going to work or not.
     
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  5. Retraction

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    Well that is a lot of letters. Problem is that I have a limited budget. I had a $300 budget after my eBook sales dedicated to ORM. I bought a phone for $200 and $20 for stamp, marker, etc etc. $80 left for sending mail. Going @ 50c a letter, I have enough room for 160 letters.
     
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    30 min?? San Mateo? Belmont? Just wondering
     
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    Im wondering too. Im an hour north in sonoma county myself
     
  8. Retraction

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    Fremont, CA. Just moved into this area
     
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    Ok across the bay. Used to live in San Carlos and San mateo so know it all to well. Lots of places to do SEO for on teh Pennisula and East bay
     
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    50 might not be enough, I'd try to get at least 100 (even this is low). You may or you may not be lucky.
     
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  11. originalposter

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    Based on my experience, I would suggest mailing in batch of 25 per week (that's about preparing 3-4 mails per day - it's a time consuming tasks, no doubt). Just mail them the next day as you finish. I don't see a point waiting for all 100 to be completed - there isn't any bonus or advantage etc.

    If you do it in batch, not only you get to find out what's working and not working, but you also get to avoid people calling you back all at once.

    If you have great discipline, and do what I mentioned above, there is a great chance your business will launch successfully.
     
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  12. Retraction

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    Thanks, however I think there is a road block to this. I am 16 years old and I don't know whether I should lie about my age or tell them the truth. Do you think they would hire teenagers for this job?
     
  13. thehoots

    thehoots Newbie

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    Buy a fake moustache :)

    Haha alright on a serious note - if what you offer is valuable enough, the client shouldn't need a reason to ask how old you are.

    Be professional, courteous and confident; it is important to be confident above all. Do not swing yourself around as if arrogant, but show enough so that you do not appear as if you are a deer staring at approaching headlights or a virgin staring at a naked woman...or dude? for the first time.

    Let's imagine that your age is asked, play it off - be witty about it.

    "Haha you look rather young! How old are you?"

    My response would be, "well, damn, I will take that as a compliment. How old do you think I am?

    "Blah blah blah"

    Then word it so you turn the tables around, but do not appear affected by that question as if it makes you uneasy. Such a reaction may turn the individual more curious about a subject that should be irrelevant towards adding value to their business.

    Perhaps turn it around by saying, "speaking of age, how long has the business been in operation? How long have you been a business owner?"

    Be the person asking the questions. The time spent shouldn't be about you unless it is relevant towards what sort of value you offer.
     
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  14. b1step-ahead

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    With traffic Fremont to Sf can take a hour to drive. Start with Oakland, or even Fremont. I actually saw the "7878" method appear in a white hat local seo circle. I threw out "7878" term to see who's a real marketer but no one got it. The problem you might face in SF is this, half the companies are tech companies and will do their own orm.
     
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  15. originalposter

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    Depending on the type of business you're dealing with.

    Based on my experience, if you deal with large corporations that require you to sign a contract, it could be an issue because you're technically not old enough to sign yet (18+ required). If you're dealing with independently/privately owned business, some owners are just cool and might not even require a contract to work with you - literally based on trust and take your words for it.

    At the end of the day, no one knows you're 16 years old unless you tell them. Act and perform like a professional, and things will take care of themselves.
     
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    thehoots Newbie

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    I still say go for the fake moustache. Could be a great ice breaker ╮(╯▽╰)╭
     
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