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I see a ton of threads on off site optimization, but not much on "on site" ( specially after this latest update)

What's your on page optimization strategy?

Do you still do 3% keyword density?
Do you use meta tags?
Use keyword(s) in title ?

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Use keyword in Meta Description TWICE, this works



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I usually keep my KeyWord Density between 3%-6% and I've been achieving great results with sticking between that range. As always even before the updates at least in my opinion, using Meta Tags and relevant KeyWords in your Title is especially important and depending on the type of site you're running, Permalinks with your KeyWords are heavily important at well as they all make their appropriate contribution to how your page is understood by Google and how it gets ranked. I hope this helps and if you have any questions, please post them here and I'd be more than happy to help.

DirectSEO
 
DirectSEO said:
I usually keep my KeyWord Density between 3%-6% and I've been achieving great results with sticking between that range. As always even before the updates at least in my opinion, using Meta Tags and relevant KeyWords in your Title is especially important and depending on the type of site you're running, Permalinks with your KeyWords are heavily important at well as they all make their appropriate contribution to how your page is understood by Google and how it gets ranked. I hope this helps and if you have any questions, please post them here and I'd be more than happy to help.

DirectSEO
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so hyper linking your target keywords is still ok?
do you have any first hand proof that this isn't considered "over optimization"?
 
My keyword density is usually kept between 2-5% for a page and 1-3% for an article. Title, url, and h1-3 tags are all dedicated towards the main/secondary keyword.
 
SmileAtmyWins said:
My keyword density is usually kept between 2-5% for a page and 1-3% for an article. Title, url, and h1-3 tags are all dedicated towards the main/secondary keyword.
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what is your H1-H3 look like?
Keyword
or
Having fun? Look at my "keyword" today

Thanks
 
Usually, I do it like this:

For more information, check out KEYWORD/URL today!

DirectSEO
 
Don't over-do it. Stick with the basics. Use your keyword a bit in your content, once in your title, once in meta description, once in the URL. Screw the meta keywords tag. Make sure your HTML is structured well! Fast page load times! Make sure your site structure emphasises the pages you want to get ranked, and that you don't "leak your pagerank" to non-important pages.
 
Say my keyword is dieting tips. For the h1 and h3 tags I will put something along the lines of " The basics of fitness and dieting tips" and then have a variation of that as the H3. My h2 is usually unrealted but has the word 'diet' in it.
 
Just being honest, I've been using my KeyWord in the Meta Description twice instead of once and I can't tell you how many times I've been able to outrank a competitor just from this one simple change. :)

DirectSEO
 
DirectSEO said:
Just being honest, I've been using my KeyWord in the Meta Description twice instead of once and I can't tell you how many times I've been able to outrank a competitor just from this one simple change. :)

DirectSEO
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me too
agree 110%
thanks much

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DirectSEO said:
Just being honest, I've been using my KeyWord in the Meta Description twice instead of once and I can't tell you how many times I've been able to outrank a competitor just from this one simple change. :)

DirectSEO
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agree with you mate..
My format is Keyword - Description keyword description :D

it works well on my side
 
Onsite seo for me is
Puting keyword in the title of the page
Writing content related to the keyword. (I dont look at density if it reads well than its good)
Website speed how quickly does it load? can you improve it?(I use css image sprites for all background images)
Writing post and interlinking them with related posts/pages

Oh and I dont put anything in the keyword and description tags. I let google pull there own description tag from the content.

Thats all there is to it.
 
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The meta description does not affect rankings.

fel3232 said:
I see a ton of threads on off site optimization, but not much on "on site" ( specially after this latest update)

What's your on page optimization strategy?

Do you still do 3% keyword density?
Do you use meta tags?
Use keyword(s) in title ?

...

1ST GOLDEN NUGGET FOUND:
Use keyword in Meta Description TWICE, this works

2ND GOLDEN NUGGET FOUND:
PENDING

3RD NUGGET
PENDING

Let's help each other out and come up with "best practices"
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Are you serious? Meta Descriptions most certainly do effect rankings big time. So you're saying the following 2 scenarios wouldn't have two different effects?

Find Out How To Build A Dog House Today
Looking to Build a Dog House? Then find out How To Build A Dog House today Correct Way
and read more to learn how to do so!
BuildADogHouse(.)C.o.m

Find Out How To Build A Dog House Today
Finding a Local Doctor is easy. Search now through our directory today to see where Wrong Way
a doctor is close to you!
BuildADogHouse(.)C.o.m

DirectSEO
 
DirectSEO said:
Are you serious? Meta Descriptions most certainly do effect rankings big time. So you're saying the following 2 scenarios wouldn't have two different effects?

Find Out How To Build A Dog House Today
Looking to Build a Dog House? Then find out How To Build A Dog House today Correct Way
and read more to learn how to do so!
BuildADogHouse(.)C.o.m

Find Out How To Build A Dog House Today
Finding a Local Doctor is easy. Search now through our directory today to see where Wrong Way
a doctor is close to you!
BuildADogHouse(.)C.o.m

DirectSEO
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I do exactly that and forgot to mention it. Haha. Sorry guys. The correct way is indeed correct.
 
Meta description will help CTR as well, really important... gonna try keyword twice
 
The meta description is the teaser of your website, if it is not attractive, people will most likely not go to your website.

I'd suggest you to include your keywords in the meta description althought matt cutts said it doesn't affect the rankings. Because people searching for a keyword are more likely to click on a result containing their keyword.
 
I am saying neither has any effect on rankings. The description is an advertisement for your website, that's all.

I am saying that the search engines do not use the meta description to rank websites. Google itself will pick a description from your website for the meta description if your description content doesn't match the page contents.

If the description were a ranking factor, they could not do this, generating a description from page contents would affect the rankings of the pages

If you do a little research into the necessary meta tags for SEO, you will see that the description tag is used for display in the SERPS, not for ranking.

Sorry if I rocked your boat, but how many times have you seen a website ranking without any description? ALL the fucking time.

It is absouleutely critical for traffic and conversions, which will have a side effect of helping rankings, but that's as far as it goes.

I stand by my original statement.

To wit:

http://webmasters.stackexchange.com...eta-description-affect-page-ranking-on-google

http://www.stepforth.com/blog/2012/meta-description-tag-can-effect-rankings/#.UP3Sa_LFJGo

http://www.quora.com/Do-meta-tags-effect-search-rankings

http://www.wordstream.com/meta-tags

http://dailyseotip.com/meta-descrip...-new-way-that-meta-tags-affect-rankings/1448/

and so on.



DirectSEO said:
Are you serious? Meta Descriptions most certainly do effect rankings big time. So you're saying the following 2 scenarios wouldn't have two different effects?

Find Out How To Build A Dog House Today
Looking to Build a Dog House? Then find out How To Build A Dog House today Correct Way
and read more to learn how to do so!
BuildADogHouse(.)C.o.m

Find Out How To Build A Dog House Today
Finding a Local Doctor is easy. Search now through our directory today to see where Wrong Way
a doctor is close to you!
BuildADogHouse(.)C.o.m

DirectSEO
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Techxan said:
I am saying that the search engines do not use the meta description to rank websites. Google itself will pick a description from your website for the meta description if your description content doesn't match the page contents.

If the description were a ranking factor, they could not do this, generating a description from page contents would affect the rankings of the pages

If you do a little research into the necessary meta tags for SEO, you will see that the description tag is used for display in the SERPS, not for ranking.

Sorry if I rocked your boat, but how many times have you seen a website ranking without any description? ALL the fucking time.

I stand by my original statement
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Hogwash. Yes, Google picks something out if you don't have a description. How does that make your statement true? I started out working on HubPages - and still do...on MANY occasions I've moved from ranks 3-6 to ranks 1-2 after doing *nothing* but adding a summary, which is the meta description. And it isn't coincidence after having seen it happen so many times...especially when the ranking change happens the same day Google updates the description.

You can "stand by" your statement all you want. Doesn't make it true. I've witnessed solid evidence that your statement is wrong. End of story.
I had this exact same argument with another person recently - stood solidly by his beliefs...even had the gall to say "Matt Cutts says so" (Rofl) Yet...could give no solid evidence to prove his statements.
 
Google will pick something out even if you do have a description if the description does not match the page content.

You content ranks your website, along with many other factors.

Now imagine that Google goes into your page and changes the content, then re-ranks your page.

That would be the same thing as changing the description if the description were used to rank the website. Google could not go in and do this because they would effectively be deciding who to rank by changing their SEO for them to help them rank better.

My guess is that when you change or add the description, hub pages changes the related posts that display on your hub page at the bottom. The change of the other hubs, if they were higher ranked than the first batch, would increase the link juice that is flowing to the page. In this case, the description may well have helped the ranking of your hub due to hub pages changing the related hubs, but not because of the description.

Your hub is simply able to show better related links because you have focused the content by adding the summary, and you are getting better related links that push more link juice.

Your "solid evidence" is based on a webpage that you do not even have control of the SEO on.






RWoodJr said:
Hogwash. Yes, Google picks something out if you don't have a description. How does that make your statement true? I started out working on HubPages - and still do...on MANY occasions I've moved from ranks 3-6 to ranks 1-2 after doing *nothing* but adding a summary, which is the meta description. And it isn't coincidence after having seen it happen so many times...especially when the ranking change happens the same day Google updates the description.

ou can "stand by" your statement all you want. Doesn't make it true. I've witnessed solid evidence that your statement is wrong. End of story.
I had this exact same argument with another person recently - stood solidly by his beliefs...even had the gall to say "Matt Cutts says so" (Rofl) Yet...could give no solid evidence to prove his statements.
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