NOWHERE - A Scammer By Proxy?

scrapeboss, as AR network says, contact him with the phone number and let me know the status.

BTW, AR why you need the phone number to make the payment to scrapeboss?

Outside observation of someone who has not done any business with any of the parties involved:

- nowhere and his partner have never run a successful business as indicated by one of the parties being unable to pay a $400 invoice that is about a month overdue
- Work was done on good word, with no upfront payment. He even did a trial run. You should've told him that the work was crap during the trial run. Instead you said that work was "extraordinary". In other words, awesome, and you wanted to keep him.
- Out of woodwork comes out ar services, aka "I cannot spell for shit because I dropped out of 8th grade" not wanting to pay an invoice presented to him. No one cares that you can get the same work done cheaper somewhere else. Agreement was made, you had a trial run.

Now he pretends like he "doesn't have the time" to talk and that everyone should get on the phone. What a fucking joke. Phone for what? So the dude could beg some more for money that you owe him?

Point being: learn how to run a fucking business and pay people on time for work done.

I will respond to this issue thus:

NOWHERE

In the first instance, I would like to say that I did not slander you. I acted as anybody would have acted based on the following reasons:

1. You no longer responded to my mails when I was asking for payment. I even sent you an email after ArNetwork had said he was not going to pay anything. You never responded.

2. When you did not respond to my mails, I sent you a skype chat when I saw you online. You also did not respond.

Before opening this shit list I even gave time to receive your response so I would be sure nothing was amiss. You did not get back to me. I have posted screenshots of that mails I sent without response. Your conscience would also confirm that I made every effort to reach you and discuss with you but you did not respond. I waited many days to hear from you.

To me, I acted in a very correct way to have taken the steps I took. Therefore, this is not a case of slander.


ARNETWORK

You made mention of the fact that what I did was crap. The questions now are:

1. Why did you give me additional 2 sites to work on if what I was doing was crap?

2. After working on the 3 sites, why did you add more 15 sites for me to work on if what I was doing was crap? Now making 18 sites.

3. Why did you comment that you loved the way I did the manual blog commenting and wrote the 100 articles? Why did NOWHERE comment through skype call that he really loved the way I handled the web 2.0 content sites?


PHONE NUMBER AS CONDITION FOR PAYMENT

You are asking for a phone number as a condition for payment. Look! I am not begging you to donate $600 or $400 to me. If it had been a case of begging for you to give me money, you could give me whatever conditions you like. This is a case of what I really worked for.

You cannot dictate terms to me in this case. I am not like the biblical Esau who sold his birthright for a plate of food. Even Jesus refused to bow down to Satan when Satan told him that he would be given the whole world if he could just bow as a sign of worship. I am not at your mercy and you cannot instruct me the way you want. I am not selling my birthright for $600 or $400. I am not begging for a donation.

I cannot dance to your tunes and if you would not be paying me what is due to me, I leave everything to you. I leave those:

- 100 articles I wrote for you and NOWHERE for the car insurance niche

- manual blog commenting links

- high profile PR links

- web 2.0 content site links

- social bookmarking links

Like I said. Keep all those links. Keep all those articles. They are already there all over the internet, whether indexed today or not. I know they will add to your CPA or Google adsense income one day.

The $600 due to me cannot add to my success in life. I am way above that amount. $600 is not even up to what I make online. So, you can add that money to your online business. I know the $600 would take you to places. But not me. I cannot sell my birthright for $600. You can go and eat it.

atlclientservice said:

scrapeboss dan whatever your name is this is ar network.
you obviously have 2 much time on your hands... instead of
spending the time bullshitting on here you should have skyped me or ask to talk to me on the phone. Your conversations with me have been very limited and you never have asked to speak to me on the phone. You rather sit behind a computer and complain and not know what your talking about.

I have always been open minded to settling payment although I personally think you did a crap job and I have several teams that do what you do for a hell of a lot less...

If anyone almost got scammed it was us!

I don't have time to go back and forth on here as I am busy making money with people who actually know how to do what we ask them to do --- unlike you wasting time complaining trying to drum up business by being a bullshitter.

Your service is a waste of money but I do appreciate you trying. Part of getting traffic online is finding the right people to work with an for seo you are an amateur as shown with your posts and also your work.

However I am sure there is plenty of people starting out that could use your services and see value where I could not..

Regardless of all this I am still willing to pay you so contact me for payment but I need a phone number. I am glad to conference in nowhere and resolve this as we are spending more time on this than it is even worth right now.

I will however want to know how you intend to pay my associate Nowhere back for slandering his name when he is a good person and never intended to "scam" you for your "wanna be" services...

Ps. If you continue with your rant and don't contact me with a phone number I am not going to respond anymore as I don't have time to sit on here and go back and forth. This is my one time response. Thank you.

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The project was raised by a person who "conveniently" brought in a different partner for paying-only purpose and that too after receiving all work which also was of "Excellent" quality as admitted by the project creator. And what's the need for a phone number at this stage... possibly to create more problems for the service provider from some of the content mentioned by the third-party "payer"? BTW, 1. the platform where the project was advertised/given is BHW which also has the personal details, 2. Paypal or any other payment processor also has the personal details of the provider, 3. Why should the provider deal with a different person when that person was not mentioned by the project creator until "they" got hold of all the articles and the comment/backlinks jobs were received over a long time... Those 2 great sites protect the personal details very professionally, but the same can't be said about "individuals". So...

Also, we all have done various projects for many different clients (not necessarily on BHW exclusively), but nowhere we have given much personal details including the phone number as the payment processors, the emails concerned etc have the details already. If the phone number was required to enable the payments to be made then it should have been included in the Project details itself.

Looks like the OP could be getting in more trouble now... hmmm...

Also, everyone here has work to do, but we try to make things easier for the 2 LEGIT parties involved when a serious complaint is raised in our BHW community. We are close with each others, but even then there is a need to stay behind a forum name, and it's a practice followed everywhere. The giving of phone number should be out of picture now, IMO, because the other party has already included the serious (at least it looks to me that way) statement "I will however want to know how you intend to pay my associate Nowhere back for slandering his name when he is a good person and never intended to "scam" you for your "wanna be" services..."... it says too much. When someone doesn't pay in spite of being given the work which even at the latest stage is considered "Excellent", etc. isn't a dark intention on the payer's side(!), but when the poor provider complains then it becomes "slander"? WOW!

We started the whole business on the internet. Now they want us to pick our phones. MAYBE NEXT TIME, WE ARE GOING TO THE MOON. BULLSHIT

I also wonder, why AR need phone number. I would like to see the valid reason behind this.

Whatever may be, as AR returns back, I insist AR or nowhere to clear the payment in couple of days.

ScrapeBoss said:

I will respond to this issue thus:

NOWHERE

In the first instance, I would like to say that I did not slander you. I acted as anybody would have acted based on the following reasons:

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Wrong.

You came out accusing me of acting as 2 people, calling me a scammer by proxy when you KNOW for a fact that Ar and I are 2 different people. You can't deny it. You heard us both, you've dealt with both of us at the same time, etc etc etc.

I could keep bringing up more proof but people rarely read the first few words of a post, so that'd be pointless. Damage is done already. Moving on.

ScrapeBoss said:

1. You no longer responded to my mails when I was asking for payment. I even sent you an email after ArNetwork had said he was not going to pay anything. You never responded.

2. When you did not respond to my mails, I sent you a skype chat when I saw you online. You also did not respond.

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Thank you for being so polite. But it was clearly explained to you you needed to talk to AR for the project as I had nothing else to do with the project but to find and recruit you initially.

When things started going wrong, I told you to talk to him and on my side I also talked to him. He voiced his opinion to me and made very valide points. When you came back to me, I told you again you needed to work it out with AR. He's the boss, the manager and the decision maker in the project.

The fact that you came back to me on Skype and email, and the fact that I did not respond means :

a) I'm busy

b) You didn't understand the first times when I told you : You need to deal with AR, not me.[/QUOTE]

ScrapeBoss said:

PHONE NUMBER AS CONDITION FOR PAYMENT

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Just Skype him and get this over with. He offered you payment, but if you want to keep dragging this out, then fine. Be my guess.

ScrapeBoss said:

I am not like the biblical Esau who sold his birthright for a plate of food. Even Jesus refused to bow down to Satan when Satan told him that he would be given the whole world if he could just bow as a sign of worship.

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That is a cheap argument. Staight up cheap.


I'm done with this. AR gave you a second opportunity to get this shit done and over with. If you don't want to comply... then whatever. There's nothing more I can do.

As for other people throwing in their comments, I'm not going to go around in circles with you since

a) You don't know all the facts
b) You obviously didn't read everything.

As for BigBuddy. If you want to ban me, then go ahead. I can't speak for AR but I think he made his opinion clear. If you want to play on Dan's cheap attempts at attacking me, then go ahead.

I came in and defended myself truthfully and played as fair as I could. I've contributed to this forum as much as I could. I've done business and helped other forum members numerous times on here and never had a problem up until now. If that merits a ban, then so be it.

This is now between Dan and AR. The way of getting this resolved has been clearly established. Its up to them.

I think I read "Adsense" earnings in there some where.... You guys are lucky you didnt didnt hire me and then not pay... After ignoring me time and time again I wouldnt bother with a shitlist... I'd get you banned from every and any income streams you have on all 18 of your sights. I'd make your online experience for those 18 sites a living Hell. I'd DDOS you to Saudi Arabia and back... If you guys really wanted this done with, you would just pay....

As for the slandering allegation etc... You deserved it.... What do you expect after ignoring someone you owe money 2?

And the 2011 Award for Ethical(!) Scamming goes to....

NoWhErE said:

Wrong.

You came out accusing me of acting as 2 people, calling me a scammer by proxy when you KNOW for a fact that Ar and I are 2 different people. You can't deny it. You heard us both, you've dealt with both of us at the same time, etc etc etc.

I could keep bringing up more proof but people rarely read the first few words of a post, so that'd be pointless. Damage is done already. Moving on.

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You have no point here. Of course we spoke through skype and I could hear a voice underground but the events that later developed concerning payment really cast doubt on your status. At least, anybody could just get somebody around him to start saying some words underground to deceive the person at the other end of the line that two people were actually involved.

NoWhErE said:

Thank you for being so polite. But it was clearly explained to you you needed to talk to AR for the project as I had nothing else to do with the project but to find and recruit you initially.

When things started going wrong, I told you to talk to him and on my side I also talked to him. He voiced his opinion to me and made very valide points. When you came back to me, I told you again you needed to work it out with AR. He's the boss, the manager and the decision maker in the project.

The fact that you came back to me on Skype and email, and the fact that I did not respond means :

a) I'm busy

b) You didn't understand the first times when I told you : You need to deal with AR, not me.

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How could you be so busy for weeks to attend respond to emails concerning payment for a job you initiated? In fact, regarding my mails and attempts to get your attention on the issue, coupled with the fact that your partner was no longer going to pay, was what made me to come to the conclusion that probably one person might have been involved and just using the other as a shield.

NoWhErE said:

Just Skype him and get this over with. He offered you payment, but if you want to keep dragging this out, then fine. Be my guess.

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He offered payment but not with the condition of supplying phone numbers. I am not begging for you people to donate money to me. You have my paypal address and I am not at the mercy of anybody concerning the payment of what is due to me.

NoWhErE said:

That is a cheap argument. Staight up cheap.


I'm done with this. AR gave you a second opportunity to get this shit done and over with. If you don't want to comply... then whatever. There's nothing more I can do.

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You are saying there is nothing more you can do but the whole job was in your name. You initiated the whole thing. You only brought arnetwork on board after it had all started. In fact, much responsibility still lies on you.

NoWhErE said:

As for other people throwing in their comments, I'm not going to go around in circles with you since

a) You don't know all the facts
b) You obviously didn't read everything.

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Please, give people all the facts about the whole thing so as to help people make better comments.

Tell or show people what they have not yet read.

NoWhErE said:

This is now between Dan and AR. The way of getting this resolved has been clearly established. Its up to them.

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As said earlier, I am not begging for a donation. You have my paypal ID for payment. Any form of phone conversation is out of the question. If not, let both of you keep the whole $600.

What's more to read to come to a different conclusion? I also wonder why the partner who is also a member here kept himself hidden for so long, and while the dispute got underway he still didn't show up. Any other paying-only partner would still have come on the thread and 'defended' the decision (whatever it was, right or wrong), but then what else was to happen in this specific case? And may be we all thought that the partner was an outsider.

If all those involved were on the same forum and the job was initiated on this forum also, then why did the partner kept himself out of the picture till so long? I would like to ask the OP whether he knew that the partner was a member here? If not, then the case takes another twist(ed angle)... Couldn't those two disclose to the OP the facts and one-sided 'rules' right in the initial stages?

I would also like to state that while doing the manual job of comment writing and creating back-links (remember, it was asked to be "manual job only") then the OP must be paid for the time he has put in. Also would like to understand whether the articles in question were published on the net irrespective of the fact whether they were of 'top' quality or not? Why didn't they stopped the OP from writing any further after the first or the second batch itself if one of them was the boss, esp him. why didn't he take initiative immediately while the OP was always accessible to him on the forum itself?

The project and the subsequent payment, IMO, therefore still is the responsibility of the sole project creator and the work must have cost the OP much time, so isn't his time valuable considering the fact that he was slogging (doing it "manually" and not using any software to do it the easy way either) till the end of the job?

I really hope that the OP gets paid without any further delay the entire amount that was discussed for the job looking at all the facts that have been presented so far.

Sincerely hope that a renewed friendship also develops between the 3 members of BHW involved in this dispute.

ScrapeBoss said:

You have no point here. Of course we spoke through skype and I could hear a voice underground but the events that later developed concerning payment really cast doubt on your status. At least, anybody could just get somebody around him to start saying some words underground to deceive the person at the other end of the line that two people were actually involved.

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So you've figured out my master plan. Yup, you got it.

I created an account in 2007 and a second account in sept 2010, THEN paid twice for Jr VIP jsut to gain Dan's trust.

Then I had my alter ego advance pay him 150$ something dollars for some work.

All in all I spent all this time and money just so I could leach 150-200$ profit and a few backlinks from Dan.

Thats right, you got me. Clear way everybody, I'm a fucking criminal mastermind.

ScrapeBoss said:

How could you be so busy for weeks to attend respond to emails concerning payment for a job you initiated?

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I didnt respond to ONE email. Read it : ONE. And that was 3-4 days before you posted this thread and AFTER I told you you needed to deal with AR and I couldnt do anything about it. I never got your Skype message. But shit, that happens.

ScrapeBoss said:

He offered payment but not with the condition of supplying phone numbers.

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Just skype him and get it over with. Too proud? Then don't get paid.

ScrapeBoss said:

You are saying there is nothing more you can do but the whole job was in your name. You initiated the whole thing. You only brought arnetwork on board after it had all started. In fact, much responsibility still lies on you.

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See this is the bullshit part you keep forgetting and keep circumventing. I interviewed you for the job for Ar Network. You got it. Afterwards it was all you and him.

If you apply for a job and go through the HR department. You deal with the head of HR and get hired by him. Then you work for the real boss. If you get fired or whatnot, you can't go extort the fucking HR department for hiring you and then you getting fired.

This is ridiculous.

BigBuddy said:

Nowhere & AR- Your BHW account is not worth than $400? Further, how can you say that the business dealt by AR & scrapeboss is totally irrelevant to you. I assume you know the meaning of partners.

If you and AR are partners and you referred scrapeboss to your partner AR , but now asking scrapeboss to deal with AR.

Fine let it be. As scrapeboss says, you people having his PP ID and I again insist you people to make the payment of $400 or $600 whatever be the amount to scrapeboss within next 24 hours without asking for phone numbers etc etc.,

If you look back at BHW history many mods & exec & reputed members who contributed for this community also banned due to these types of issues.

So, If you are not comply with this, I don't have any option other than banning your account as well as AR.

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Its my word against his. Dan has completely distorted facts numerous times to win his cause and there is nothing more I can do.

If you truly buy into the idea this was all a scam, then go ahead and ban me. I think its ridiculous that I would go through all this trouble for a few bucks and backlinks, but hey, thats your call.

I guess this is the last post I'll be making. Was a blast, but this is a gay way to end this considering all Dan has to do is Skype AR and get payment like AR clearly said in his one and only post.

Rude, not ridiculous! The "fucking" person called the project initiator on internet isn't the HR department unless he makes it clear in the first place.

Damn, why am I talking any further?

Let BigBuddy do his job, but remember, he too is human and such battles must be paining him the most. You 2 esp., can't you see the whole picture as we can see as outsiders? Take a third-person view and you will understand what's and who's wrong ... Haven't you been with a person like BigBuddy and even with Wiz for so long, and now they are the super mods here, can't you see the super efforts they are putting in day in day out here, and why can't you respect BigBuddy's judgment as ultimate effort to solve a painful dispute? Think of how much these people (BigB and Wiz) have done for the forum, you 2 including... so why not listen to their judgment now and really admit it (without the ego involved) as FAIR ENOUGH ?????

P.S.: I wish to say lastly, that if at all you 2 are banned, then go to any other forums and try finding people like BB & Wiz, and a lot others... GL to you in finding their quality friendship elsewhere. I promise you 2 that you'll be very very sad that you didn't saved $600 or $6M, whatever... but you lost a lot more than that... so go find out what you've lost... still hope that you would truly understand the real profit and loss statements in all these posts here.

nowhere, you are still dragging this. This is not the issue regarding whether you and AR are different person or same. Its just an issue of payment. Still I did nt mention anywhere that you scammed him and I am providing all the options to settle this amicably.

I agree with you, if you acted as a Hr department, but you mentioned AR as your partner and not the boss.

So, contact AR and explain all these things and see that he gonna pay him. If not, just post it here. I will do my job.

BigBuddy said:

nowhere, you are still dragging this. This is not the issue regarding whether you and AR are different person or same. Its just an issue of payment. Still I did nt mention anywhere that you scammed him and I am providing all the options to settle this amicably.

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Unless I'm gravely mistaken, I never said you called it a scam, I'm reffering to Dan's OP and then the numerous posts afterwards referring to all of this as a scam.

Up to now you have judged this fairly, that I will never deny.

I too wish this could be resolved amicably. But its a case of an Unstoppable Force (AR Network) and an immovable object (Dan) colliding together. I'm stuck in the middle.

AR stated he is willing to settle this if Dan would just contact him. I don't know why, but AR has his reasons. The more this goes on, the more pissed he gets and the more dragged out this becomes. No matter what I say he ain't gonna listen. He wants it his way and thats that. He won't even come back to the thread and read it no more.

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I agree with you, if you acted as a Hr department, but you mentioned AR as your partner and not the boss.

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NoWhErE said:

Anyways, as for the allegations. There is something you need to understand. This project is both an ArNetwork (my partner) and I's project. I'm in charge of getting things done and he's in charge of financing the entire thing as well as making final decisions. He has the bigger part of our deal and is essentially the boss.

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All of the above and much more was explained over the phone to Dan. These are the parts he is conveniently leaving out. Thus why this is all my word against his.

NoWhErE said:

So, contact AR and explain all these things and see that he gonna pay him. If not, just post it here. I will do my job.

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Thats what did and have been doing. The result was that one and last post.

We can't be sure about the details but according to the emails, nowhere/Arnetwork was happy with the links and articles. Even asked for a second batch of articles. If they were low quality, why didn't he say to improve the quality for the second batch or he won't pay? Pure bull*. He needed a reason not to pay.

I choose OPTION 2

For payment, they have my paypal ID already.

Thanks

BigBuddy said:

This Thread took lots of time for me to sort it out.

Here you go...

only 2 Options to close this thread.

Option 1:

scrapeboss need to talk with AR in skype to get paid. If he gets paid, this thread will be closed.

Option 2:

If scrapeboss, don't wanna to get paid his hard earned $400 by making a call to AR, let it be and there is one more day time to AR to make the payment to scrapeboss.

If above things not happened, by next 24 hours nowhere & AR account will be banned.

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