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Noob question for backlink pagerank

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by foodtrip, Oct 12, 2011.

  1. foodtrip

    foodtrip Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I was wondering which backlink has more juice:

    Comment on a PR0 site.

    or

    Forum profile which is PR0 on the actual page but the main page has, lets say atleast PR1.

    Which has more quality?

    Does having high PR on the main page have an effect on its sub pages where your backlinks are located?
     
  2. polomint

    polomint Registered Member

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    Hey,

    Main page back links weigh a hell a lot more than ones posted on nested pages, Google believes that a site linking on the front page must be a very trusted site.

    Page Ranking works for back linking ranking, which many call trust rank.. So if your on the front page you get more trust rank so to speak. But you should also notice if your back link is on lifting-weights, and your site is about motorbikes you can expect less weight.

    Hope this answers your question :p
     
  3. polomint

    polomint Registered Member

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    Also to add.

    A Forum sig on a PR6 site is most likely to out weigh a frontpage link on a PR0.

    Ensure the PR0 is a new site and not one which has been operating for while, if its been online for a while than google has deemed it not a trusty site to be that low in rank.

    I personally would never consider anything below 3.
     
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    I am going to have to disagree with this one. (the second part anyway)

    There is nothing wrong with getting links from PR0 pages. Do you really think that most sites get all their links from PR3 pages and above? Really? Take a good look at the sites ranking in the top 10 for your niche and I bet you will find most of them having a lot of links from low PR sites and pages. A good mix of links is what you are going for, IP diversity, types of links, as well as PR.
     
  5. Kaithe.Clarke

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    When it comes to PR, the page with which you are link matters.
    It does not matter whether home page has PR 10 or 0...

    In this case, I think, both the web page will give you equal backlink credit regardless of their content.
     
  6. polomint

    polomint Registered Member

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    Yep, did some research.. Try getting in the footer :p
     
  7. foodtrip

    foodtrip Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Now im confused.

    If homepage PR has no effect, then why are the services offered here on BHW say they will create backlinks on PR 4+, but they are really creating the backlink on PR 0 page which has a homepage with PR 4.

    I tried one of the services here, they created a forum profile link on a PR 0 page but has a PR 7 homepage.

    I just want to clear things up. Thanks
     
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    you got ripped off
     
  9. eldran

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    not all page rank is reported. page rank does flow down. I would avoid PR 0 pages if possible. If there are internal links from a PR 4 index page (site), to an internal page, then it *should* have some page rank even if it is not reported.

    but avoid links from pr 0 sites - it may actually be that this site is penalized or banned - especially if it is "unranked"

    also check to see the mozRank of the page - the PR and mozRank for healthy sites should be almost identical, if the Pr is 1-2 lower than MR, then the site has issues, if the PR is like 1 and the MR is 5, then the site has serious algorithmic issues - it might be close to acquiring a link based penalty, and any links on it pointing to you will flow a bit of that bad link juice to you
     
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    very useful
     
  11. GreyWolf

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    So many replies in this thread seem to be confusing page rank with trust rank. There is nothing about a PR0 site that indicates google finds a site untrustworthy. Even if it's still a PR0 after a year, it isn't because it's seen as untrusted.

    All that google considers a PR0 site to be is one that not too many people are linking to. Contrary to what some people in this thread might think, that's actually the bulk of all pages on the internet. lol

    To a very small extent the fact that even after a year or so a site doesn't have many backlinks, google may consider that as a factor for not increasing trust rank but that isn't the same as some kind of penalty that will decrease it. It certainly isn't going to damage your site if you get a backlink from it if that's the only factor your seeing. If a site has a lot of backlinks, (which can increase it's PR) that might be a positive trust factor for that site, but not having a lot of links isn't seen as a negative trust factor.

    The only time I might be concerned about the PR being an indication of trust factors would be in the explanation eldran gave about checking it against the mozrank. I think that would be a lot of trouble to go through for every site you come across though. I think I'd only suggest bothering with that if the site looks like there may be some reason to be concerned. In that case I still probably would just skip that site rather than go into an indepth analysis of it. I think overall it isn't usually a big concern.

    The main thing to think about is that PR is determined by the number and quality of backlinks to a site, as such a link from a higher PR site will pass along more link juice, but low PR sites are still good as well. It just takes a lot more low PR backlinks to give the same benefit as a single high PR backlink for indexing your sites position in the serp for any particular keywords. In other words if you're just looking at PR values then all backlinks are definitely not equal, but they are all still good.

    Trust Rank though is a completely different matter. A high PR might benefit a sites Trust Rank, but a low PR isn't an indication of low trust. Low Trust Rank (especially of the type mentioned in earlier replies in this thread) is based on things like how many spammy outbound links there are (link farms), and other similar type factors that indicate sites that google considers bad neighborhoods.

    So ignore any advice that suggests a backlink from a PR0 page will hurt you're ranking. It won't help as much as a link on a higher PR page, but it will still help. You need a lot more of them to get the same results, but there's no reason to completely avoid them.

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    To answer the OP question, for the most part a backlink from a PR0 page is a backlink from a PR0 page regardless of the PR value of the home page. There may be some slight increase in value between a PR0 page on a PR6 site over a PR0 page on a PR0 site, but if there is it isn't likely to be hugely significant. The reason it might have a slight advantage is if there's a link trail from the PR6 main page to the PR0 inner page then there will be some link juice flowing to that inner page. Probably a little more than what is flowing to the inner page of the PR0 site.

    The thing to remember is that the PR value of a page is just an indicator of the link juice flowing to that page. Google doesn't actually use the PR value itself, the algorithms are keeping track of the actual flow. What that means is that sites with equal value PR don't necessarily have the same amount of link juice. What the number gives us though is a range. So a backlink on one PR2 site may be better than a link on another PR2 site, but no matter what, any PR2 site will have more link juice than a PR1 site, and less than a PR3 site. Also the amount of link juice you get from a page is also dependent on how many outbound links that site has. A backlink from a PR1 site with only a single outbound link may pass more value to your page than a backlink on a PR2 site with 50+ outbound links. Also remember that the actual PR factors the algorithms use is a constantly adjusted, so the longer it's been since the last PR update the less reliable the PR number you're seeing actually will be.
     
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