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Nofollow Link Juice & Misconceptions

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by wonsong82, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. wonsong82

    wonsong82 Registered Member

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    A lot of people here saying, Nofollow web2.0 is still valuable and I don't agree on it.

    majority of web2.0 we know with high pr (ex: digg.com, delicious.com) has their system to not pass their juice, either putting nofollow on links, metatags, and robot.txt or using their redirect links.

    Many argue that these sites are still valid to make a link structure as a Tier 1 web2.0 sites, but i do not see how and why!!

    as far as i know, as of 2009, no-follow links not only block passing its page ranks, but it also reduces the page rank passed on other links on the site.

    for example, if a page has 5 links and all of them are d0 follow links,
    each link will pass 20% of the total page rank contained within the page.

    before 2009, if four of those links becomes no-follow, and only one remains d0-follow, the remaining link would pass 100% of the total page rank, but after 2009, the no-follow links would still get their percentages and be discarded completely.
    so only 1 do follow link will pass 20% of the link juice, and rest 4 of them will be just discarded.

    So other than just making the link look structure natural to google, I do not see the point of working on the web2.0 that has its no-follow policy.

    Even if you figure out the way to pass its pagerank from 2.0 that typically has no-follow links, among all the no-follow links, it will only contain so little percentage of PR, almost worthless to work it on, especially you thought no-follow 2.0 somehow helps the link juice and waste your time and money to blast these 2.0 with xumer & sb



    Anyone has other thoughts?
     
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    We just don't really know. A lot of conflicting views and not enough case studies.
     
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  4. wonsong82

    wonsong82 Registered Member

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    So you saying nofollow links still pass PR?
    even though google officially said (well more precisely Matt Cutts)
    its not?



     
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    I think there's truth in everything Matt Cutts says. But there's also a lot he doesn't tell us.

    He is adamant that rel=nofollow doesn't pass and link juice, but there is a logical common sense case to be made that it would be stupid not to pass link juice at all.

    Maybe rel=nofollow is more of a safeguard for sites than a way to stop link juice being passed? That's what I think anyway.

    I think there is definitely some value to a rel=nofollow link, more so than just the increased crawling.

    Can I prove any of it? no, just a hunch.
     
  6. omida86

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    Well, I do know a person that did an experiment. He managed to rank sites pretty high by ONLY using no-follow links....
     
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    I've been following the seo blogs and the social stuff has been a hot topic in 2011, even if the nofollow is shown on the page, doesn't mean that the social links and popularity are not a ranking factor... let me explain...

    Google and other search engines have special access to some of the social networking sites, take twitter as an example, a tweet on a profile a link is nofollow, but under the hood Google sees something else other than just that link on the profile, a special database that looks at the authority or "Tweet Rank" of the profile, popularity of the link (how many & who retweeted it) who & how many people are following them, age & trust of the account e.t.c...

    Bing & Blekko have access to facebooks inner database of likes & shares e.t.c.. Google do not, but they can see certain things on Facebook what are crawlable like usual.

    In this time of the social media frenzy, the social way of linking, getting involved in the community, gaining authority and trust can't be ignored by a huge search engine like Google.

    The nofollow on on visible pages on certain social media sites is because they can't check every single link to see if they 'endorse' the site that the millions of people link to, and need to protect themselves.

    This does not mean that Google and other search engines don't use the data from elsewhere within the social networking/bookmarking databases in their rankings.

    Basically: Link juice from social media/web 2.0 comes from deeper than just the web pages we can see by browsing ourselves.

    Check this video out from mr Matt Cutts himself where he discusses about google using links from social media sites in rankings: http://econsultants.it/google-twitter-facebook-links/

    Anyway, even if none of this was true, what is true is the fact that diversity of links always works out to be more natural and effective than a raw quantity of links of the same type.
     
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  8. wonsong82

    wonsong82 Registered Member

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    Yeah, it seems that no-follow links are still worth getting though
     
  9. jonnymch

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    No follow links are valuable because they make your link structure look more natural to Google imo. Your non no-follow links will have more credibility if they exist alongside no-follow links - thats the value.
     
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    Also Google seems to be working towards all mentioning af en URL / domain is an extra plus in their ranking book, so even though PR may not be passed directly, any linking og just mentioning of your website on other websites is a plus and help to your ranking.
     
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    Digg postings doesn't have rel no follow but they redirects.
    Google says they can track 301 redirect and give credit to the destination but many seo experts say that thats not true and i would ignore as well.

    And Digg comments does not redirect, but has no follow attributes.



     
  12. gorang

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    A 301 redirect does pass PR juice. Just not as much. Some people blast 301 domains with xrumer and allow it to be sandboxed as a buffer. Theys tillg et link juice for it.

    I recently bought a new domain and did a 301. My site ranked very fast, so the link juice is passing.