Newbie needs advice on starting linkwheel

..remember also, since you are off to a good start by using quality web20 sites like squidoo, to make several pages/posts per hub. Doing this gradually will help increase the strength of your hub.. and your link network as a whole. Good luck!

Yes, I can definitely see now that the sites which link directly to your money site need to be of high quality. You want those suckers staying up so you don't lose the chain of links behind it!

I will have to take great care with those and trot out my best writing and content.

Oh, BassTrackerBoats, your link diagram is now my wallpaper. :)
 
as long as everything didnt connect and you were using different ips for the different sites you should be fine.
 
BassTrackerBoats has a good diagram and it's actually exactly what people mean when they say link pyramid. I made a big long thread with graph theory and all kinds of weird math showing how detectable link wheels are.

The thing about pyramids is since you don't have to interlink them, you don't have to keep track of stuff in a complicated diagram. You can create some properties which only point to your money site then blast links to the list of your properties.

If your strategy involves scrapebox or other types of link spam, the "buffer sites" really only serve to keep your money site from getting sandboxed. There isn't any other benefit to them really.

Also just be careful about what you choose for your buffer sites. Scrapebox brings in a lot of angry webmaster complaints and you can easily get your hubpages or squidoo account closed.
 
I should also say that hubpages and squidoo are useful because of the potential for internal link juice. If you decide to do them, learn how to link build on those sites and don't do any link spamming to them.
 
As I understand it it's a bad idea to link the hubs together that point to your main site. The basic idea of this actually is only to speed up the indexing process, but you do not need that because you can speed up indexing with other methods. Even random interlinking could be a problem theoretically... As I see it, the interlinking does not give additional link juice, in fact every OBL will lower the link value of your hubs, so you are only rerouting the link power without additional benefit.
And why risk your hard work being destroyed when you only need to replace the interlinking step with another fast indexing technique, esp. with scrapebox this is easy to do!

Good luck dude and if I helped you let me know ;)
 
If I use 'linkwheel' scheme, usually I'll leave it "open"
But I rarely use it anymore.
I just post articles on web2.0, free blogs, article directories, and just put links to my sites, rarely interlink them anymore. usually 1 goes to index and 1 goes to inner page.
Then support them with other lower links such as profile links.
I also use profile links for the main site anyway.
 
Linkwheel is a structure of links on high pagerank web 2.0 platform

Blogger > Wordpress > Tumblr > BacktoBlogger

Basically a continous link structure that goes in a circle.
That's the original structure of linkwheels but as with everything else regarding backlink building things change over time. It's better for a linkwheel to have a little more complexity today. A lot more depth and less interlinking between branches or spokes.

This won't leave a footprint. Just don't link all the hubs and feeder sites to one another and you'll be fine.
BassTrackerBoats method is a lot safer for your website than the original linkwheel design. He's got it down to a pretty simple process for creating the network of backlinks and it's been working pretty well for people using it. Search his threads if you want to learn more about it.

So..evidently there are two schools of thought on linking hubs together.

Not hearing anything about the implications or what is the consensus view.
There isn't really two schools of thought regarding linkwheels. The concept has just evolved over time. The original linkwheel in which the hubs link to the spokes and the spokes link together is pretty easy for google to identify. Once it became too common a practice google made adjustments to minimize the value of that design so it had to evolve into more complex structures. The main point is to capture as much link juice as possible and funnel it up to your main site. Interlinking the spokes actually can create a little more juice, but also makes it a higher risk of being seen as artificial and discounted. Later on when it's old hat to you then you can experiment to see if any interlinking works better for you. You're probably safer (especially if your just starting off learning how to do it) to just not interlink any spokes.

... the "buffer sites" really only serve to keep your money site from getting sandboxed. There isn't any other benefit to them really.
Well protecting your site is a pretty significant benefit actually.

The other benefit is that you gain that protection without really losing anything at all.
You site still has a lot of links to it from those buffer sites and those backlinks is still funnelling all that link juice to your site from the entire network of backlinks you created.

...The basic idea of this actually is only to speed up the indexing process, but you do not need that because you can speed up indexing with other methods...

... As I see it, the interlinking does not give additional link juice, in fact every OBL will lower the link value of your hubs, so you are only rerouting the link power without additional benefit.
The basic idea is more than that. The idea is to pass enough value to your site not just to be indexed, but to significantly inprove your serp position.

interlinking actually can create additional link juice. You need to really study the original Page Rank equations to understand why. That's why the linkwheel was originally figured out. By interlinking the spokes the structure actually passed more PR than the simply having the spokes linking to the hub only. The problem is that it isn't really enough to justify the risk since google will discount an obvious linkwheel. Since you have to have more depth to the structure now anyway, you can add more value instead by just linking farther out with a lot more backlinks.


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Basically with linkwheels, link pyramids, silo sites, buffer sites, link pushing, and any other structured linking you're just trying to duplicate a popular website's natural backlinking structure and distill it down to it's most powerful aspects. Since you create the pages yourself you have much more control of the keyword relevancy throughout the entire backlink network structure. The idea is to pass the largest amount of link juice up to your main site with the smallest number of backlinks necessary.

Along with any structured link network you create, you should of course also continue with a regular backlinking campaign. A reasonable amount of backlinks to your money site and a much larger campaign building backlinks to the buffer sites and link silos in your backlink network.
 
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GreyWolf, would you please explain what you mean by "buffer sites"?

I am still kind of learning what all these terms mean and want to make sure we are on the same page.
 
GreyWolf, would you please explain what you mean by "buffer sites"?

I am still kind of learning what all these terms mean and want to make sure we are on the same page.

By buffer sites, GreyWolf means the feeder sites and hubs that you have
read about in that document I sent you earlier.

OT: Congrats to Greywolf on Executive VIP... if anyone should be one, it should be him.
 
GreyWolf, would you please explain what you mean by "buffer sites"?

I am still kind of learning what all these terms mean and want to make sure we are on the same page.
Pages you have on article directories, blogs on blogsites, the major pages you made on any web2.0 sites that you created to backlink to your main site. If you target your backlinking campaigns to thoses sites instead of directly to your main site then they are your buffer sites.

You can also create additional complete websites relevant to your niche that you make backlinks to your main site. If you target a network of backlinks to those sites instead of your main site then those are link silos.

Your buffer sites and link silos are what collect all the link juice from your network of backlinks and then funnels them to your main site. If something goes wrong because your backlinks cause some kind of penalty it should only affect one of the buffer sites or silos. You're main site should be insulated from any negative effect, while still receiving any positive effects.


If you want to know why it works better that way, look on my profile page to find the thread "SEO - Understanding the Simulation". It doesn't tell you how to do anything, but just explains why you need to do some things.


(OT - Thanks BassTrackerBoats, I don't know if I deserved it or not but it's always nice to get recognition. It does look cool to see my username in white. I even had to change my avatar to make it be a white one too. lol)
 
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You deserved it man. You're one of the only ones on here consistently giving good info.
 
Here is just something I put together, which I have been planning on doing/am doing at the moment. Obviously don't copy the exact web2.0 properties or the linking structure I have used but it will probably help just to have a look at lots of different wheels just to see which bits of each on you like.

Black = To money Site
Red = To Another property
Blue= Xrumer to web2.0

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That's pretty much an open wheel which is good for juice. How much extra effort do you think it takes to keep track of the properties and link to them though?
 
Newbie here.

If I was going to start building out just one or two web 2.0 properties, which ones are generally the best?...this may be a stupid question.
 
That's pretty much an open wheel which is good for juice. How much extra effort do you think it takes to keep track of the properties and link to them though?

So far not much lol.
 
Just keep a list of your pages and how much backlinking done for each page. Make a listing for each of the major pages you make as buffer sites and hubs.
Something as simple as this can help:
myblog.blogspot.com
username
pasword
date created
last update
backlink campaigns
how many profile links
how many blog comments on date
how many profile links on date
etc.
Any other info you think is helpful​
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myblog.wordpress.com
username
pasword
date created
etc.​
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Depending on things like if your doing automated links or manual links you might want just basic stats or detailed info on some of the links. If you want you can use a chart like the diagrams given in the other replies to keep track of your overall plan and lists like this for the details.

You can make up elaborate spreadsheets for your projects; set up a tracking folders with txt files in subfolders for each property; or even just make a single text file adding to it for each new entry. Whatever works best for you.

Just set up some type of system that works for you and that you'll take the time to maintain. It won't help to set up an elaborate tracking system if you don't keep up on it. For some people a single text file is good enough, others need elaborate programs. Whatever you do it needs to make sense in your own mind so that it'll be usable for you.
 
Just keep a list of your pages and how much backlinking done for each page. Make a listing for each of the major pages you make as buffer sites and hubs.
Something as simple as this can help:
myblog.blogspot.com
username
pasword
date created
last update
backlink campaigns
how many profile links
how many blog comments on date
how many profile links on date
etc.
Any other info you think is helpful​
--------
myblog.wordpress.com
username
pasword
date created
etc.​
--------​
Depending on things like if your doing automated links or manual links you might want just basic stats or detailed info on some of the links. If you want you can use a chart like the diagrams given in the other replies to keep track of your overall plan and lists like this for the details.

You can make up elaborate spreadsheets for your projects; set up a tracking folders with txt files in subfolders for each property; or even just make a single text file adding to it for each new entry. Whatever works best for you.

Just set up some type of system that works for you and that you'll take the time to maintain. It won't help to set up an elaborate tracking system if you don't keep up on it. For some people a single text file is good enough, others need elaborate programs. Whatever you do it needs to make sense in your own mind so that it'll be usable for you.

Excel sounds ideal for something like this.
 
Excel sounds ideal for something like this.
Yeah, if you set up a simple spreadsheet it can be really easy to keep it updated.

I'm pretty guilty of letting things like that slide myself, and then it reaches a point to start being unmanageable you have to go in and figure out what the hell you've been doing for the last few days or weeks.

A lot simpler to just keep track of things as your doing it. Whatever method you're going to use, the important thing is to keep up on it.
 
With the spread sheet and you can use macros to build upon your previous work with little effort on your part.
 
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