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New Offline BlackHat Method During The Rough Economy

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by TheBHCat, Aug 28, 2009.

  1. TheBHCat

    TheBHCat Junior Member

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    So I was away on vacation for a few days this past weekend, and when I got back in and went to my office on Tuesday morning, I made a startling discovery. Someone has stolen the twenty foot flagpole standing in front of my office! It appears that whichever creative blackhatter did it took some sort of saw and just cut it off right at the base (well, about two inches above the ground).

    I was completely perplexed about this at first as I had no idea why anyone would want to steal a flagpole (especially if they cut it so that it couldn't be used again). I figured it was some local kid that was playing a prank, but after discussing it with a few people, we figured it out - the flagpole was made of aluminum which is worth a pretty penny nowadays. I didn't report it to the police because the headache of dealing with that would have been more trouble than it was worth, but I wouldn't be surprised if other offices in my area had run into the same problem.

    I just checked and scrap aluminum seems to run around $.80/lb. I don't know how much a twenty foot pole weighs, but I'm sure it's a decent amount. If these guys are stealing enough poles, they could perhaps be making as much money as HaRRo.

    So on to the method:

    1) Find an area (your niche) with plenty of business that have flagpoles out front. Ones with car dealerships who have those sixty or seventy foot poles are the most desirable ones.

    2) Stake out the area to find when it is least populated (usually late at night and on the weekends)

    3) Come through in the middle of the night with a big pickup truck, a cordless saw (or whatever you need to cut through aluminum poles), and a couple of buddies to help you carry the poles to the aforementioned pickup

    4) Take your poles to a local scrap yard. Sort of like using CPARedirector to cover your tracks, make sure you have a nice, whitehat story to explain where all of these poles are coming from. It also helps if the scrap yard allows incentivized scrap metal, as they'll be less curious as to why you're brining half a ton of cut up flagpoles.

    5) Once you're niche has become exhaused, it's time to go back to step one and start over. I'm sure that this method could be applied to plenty of other verticals.

    No thanks are needed for this method - all I'm asking is that whichever one of you hesited my flagpole to please return it. I'm sorry for saturating your method.

    (Just incase someone can't pick up on my humor, I am by no means encouraging *anyone* to commit theft of any sorts and actually do this or anything else illegal. While I'm completely serious and mad about my flagpole, I am just joking about the "method".)
     
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  2. writt

    writt Junior Member

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    Can we outsource this? :D
     
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  3. TheBHCat

    TheBHCat Junior Member

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    Well 80lbs at $.80/lb is still $64/pole. I don't ancipiate that it takes these guys much more than 5 minutes to park their truck, jump out, run a saw through the pole, load it on their truck, and be on their way. It it took much longer than that, it seems as if they would be noticed. Although not the nicest neighborhood, my office is on probably the busiest street in my area (which isn't all *that* busy). It seems like *someone* would have had to noticed these people doing this.

    Anyways though, at $64/pole, if you planned it out well, you could easily get twenty or so in a night... which would end up around $1280. That isn't too bad of money for the kind of people that would steal things such as this (even split between a few guys [or girls - I don't want to discriminate as I'm sure some of the ladies out there are just as capable as guys]_/
     
  4. darkmobius

    darkmobius Regular Member

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    but we are talking about stealing here...blackhat is one thing, stealing is just bad...
     
  5. Italian Hawk

    Italian Hawk Power Member

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    If you're going to steal something at least make it worth it. I mean really, risking legal troubles for a $64 pole. I don't think you meant for anyone to take this seriously, but if you did, I'd say why go for a $64 pole? Just go hook up motor boats or something and drag them off.
     
  6. redbull

    redbull Newbie

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    Can i hire a thief for this work ?? He'd probably steal MY MONEY first :D

    Thanks for sharing the idea...
     
  7. squelsh

    squelsh Regular Member

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    Ha ha.

    About a year ago I used to live in a block of flats that had a lead roof. Turns out lead is pretty profitable too. Thankfully, I wasn't on the top floor but I certainly wasnt laughing then
     
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    most poles are not aluminum. they are galvanized steel, or a steel alloy. i know this b/c most of the poles, light posts, and gaurdrail used in the US comes from a plant about 4 blocks from where I sit.
    this kinda stuff puts you in jail, just like stealing copper from old houses.
    what i see people in my town doing though is driving trash routes the night before pickup and taking scrap from people's trash. i wouldn't do it, but if i had a truck and needed money its not bad
     
  9. BigHustlah

    BigHustlah Power Member

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    Incentivized scrap metal. Why were we all wasting our time doing these stupid CPA offers when we could be killing it with stolen flag pole incentive scrap metal?
     
  10. TheBHCat

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    I didn't know that about most poles. I suppose this plan may not be as profitable then!

    On a side note, I have a lot of friends who are contractors or otherwise in the construction business, and they were having a major problem with theft a few years ago during the housing boom. The most common problem I heard them complain about was people coming and stealing the air conditioning units that they had on the jobsite to install. I guess there is a lot of copper or brass or something similar inside of them. One friend had the air conditioning unit stolen three different times on one jobsite.
     
  11. aquitaine

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    ha hah ! this is ridiculous : )
    What i think would be really cool is to TRY to steal a flag pole, drop the flag pole on yourself and then sue the guy for having a bad flagpole in the first place ! lot more money there im sure ! ha ha ha !!
     
  12. noob411

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    I used a similar method when copper was $$$......check out ohio's vacant houses plumbing issues they at least can all get the new pipes thanks to ahm.....and yes you can outsource!!!
     
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  13. TheBHCat

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    That reminds me of a story I saw on the news a while back. Some guy broke into a house to rob it, was shot by the homeowner who caught him, and then turned around and sued the homeowner (and won!). Using that as a precedent may be a good strategy here :p.
     
  14. Asterixpro

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    Well I see eBook potential here, selling it on DP. "Make money now! you don't need to know anything about computers".

    Last time I checked there is nothing illegal with that kind of book, you could even put an affiliate offer for a saw.

    saw + ebook = profit!
     
  15. thetafmann

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    This happens in my town all the time. The other day some dude threw away a bunch of metal in my work places dumpster, he is rich dude who owns an art studio next door. I dupmpster dived his metal, turned out to be all aluminum and made 30 bucks. I wouldnt steal it cause there are so many people doing that, but if I find it... What you need to do is find one of those old 80's bread trucks, those are mostly aluminum,, that would be bank!
     
  16. hawke

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    I wonder how many Noobs are gonna try this word for word?


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    Ha. When i was at university, me and my mate went down the the shipyard that is local here and got these long wirey pole things. From memory they were aliminium (Well i assume so anyway). Anyway they were long as hell and we didnt have a saw, so we started like bending them so that we could chuck them in my mates car.

    Then this guy came over and went absolutely nuts and asked what we were doing. And my mate, with a full straight face goes "O they are really bendy see, we just wanted to see if we can bend them". And i was like "O man we are done for here". And no shit the guy goes "Ok just make sure you bend them back when your done". And then he walked off.

    Well anyway it was bloody hard work folding up these things, and it felt like they weighed a tonne. Then we took them to the scrap heap and wham, from memory it was about 40 NZD which is about 25 USD give or take. Biggest waste of time....

    EDIT: HAHAHAHA. Does anyone remember that ebook that was sold at DP about this very method? Only it was about recruiting people in your neighbourhood to pick up cans for you. It was going for like $100. Was the funniest thing i had ever read!
     
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    Anyone mention dumpster diving?
     
  19. jonnyquest

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    what do you think the scrap guys are idiots ... it's like the morons stealing the galvanized guard rails to sell to scrap yards ... of course they get caught .. unless you live in LA most small towns have one scrap yard and the cops will be waiting for you ... nice try though ...
     
  20. DrJekyll

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    I need to see screenshots of your earnings