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New Ebay Selling Limits May Change Ebay Forever

Discussion in 'Ebay' started by agamenon, Oct 30, 2010.

  1. agamenon

    agamenon Newbie

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    NEW SELLING LIMITS
    October 2010, eBay has changed it's policy once again, this time it seems quite serious! The Internet is alive with reports on blogs and forums about these new eBay selling limits. It is not yet clear what effect this will have and exactly which sellers this will affect. If you read the eBay website it seems to suggest that these new selling limits should only affect sellers with new accounts with a selling history of less than 90 days. If you read the forums and blogs you will see stories from sellers who have been selling on eBay for the past 5-10 years and have thousands of positive feedback that are saying now eBay has put limits on the amount of items they can sell in a 30 day period. For people who make a living selling items on eBay, this policy has the potential to be devastating. With this new policy it will make it extremely difficult for new sellers to start a profitable eBay business. New sellers will be limited to 10 sales per 30 day period, until they establish a good selling history. It will take an awful long time to establish a selling history when you can only sell 10 items per month. This will certainly discourage many people from marketing their products on eBay, as it might take months or even years to establish enough selling history to make a decent living.

    WHAT ARE THE LIMITS?
    New sellers are now limited to 10 items sold per 30 day period. The total amount of combined items sold and items listed can not exceed 10 items. Other sellers can expect a limit of 100 items sold per 30 day period. It is not clear exactly which sellers will be affected by these limits, but so far there are many reports from sellers in South East Asia that their accounts have been subjected to these limits. There are also reports from sellers in Europe and USA who have also been affected by this. Apparently these limits will increase once the seller has established a better selling history, however it may be impossible for sellers to acheive the ratings that eBay demands. Sellers from Asia have a severe disadvantage due to the detailed seller ratings. Sellers are given ratings for communication, item as described, shipping time and shipping charges. The problem is, when buyers buy items from overseas, they will never leave a good rating for shipping time and shipping charges because it will cost more and take longer than it would if they bought items from American sellers. It is actually possible to have your eBay account restricted or even suspended for poor customer satisfaction, even when you have 100% positive feedback.

    HOW WILL THIS AFFECT EBAY?
    These new policies could spell then end for a lot of sellers, especially Asian sellers. The sellers most likely to be affected are the sellers who sell lower cost items, replica items and counterfeit items.If these sellers are forced off eBay, you can expect the prices of many popular items to increase dramatically. The days of the amazing deals on eBay might have come to an end. It will no longer be possible for sellers to sell these low cost items in large enough quantity to make it worthwhile. The restrictions on the numbers of items sellers can sell, directly affect the amount of revenue eBay gets from final value fees. I am guessing that eBay stock price will drop and the prices of eBay items will increase to the point where there is no value shopping on eBay.

    WHAT WILL EBAY ACHIEVE?
    Well it is not clear what they hope to achieve with this new policy, many people think they are shooting themselves in the foot. This might get rid of most of the scammers on eBay, unfortunately for every scammer that is removed, there will probably be 5-10 legit sellers that are also forced out. They clearly must realize that this is going to cost them money in the short term, and it will also present new opportunity for their competition. The have never really had any competition, but this might just open the door for a real competitor. There is a huge demand for low cost replica and counterfeit items, and if people can no longer find these items on eBay, they will look elsewhere. There are plenty of websites selling these items, but the problem is that buyers have been more comfortable purchasing these items on eBay, well if these items are no longer affordable on eBay,they will look elsewhere. This might just be an opportunity for sellers to market their product on their own websites.

    source: http://hubpages.com/hub/New-Ebay-Selling-Limits-Might-Spell-The-End-For-Small-Time-Sellers

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    DETAILED SELLER RATING
    In 2008 eBay changed their feedback policy for sellers, now sellers can no longer leave honest feedback for buyers, but only positive feedback. Sellers immediately protested this new policy due to fears that many buyers would use this new policy to commit feedback extortion, or various other forms of buyer scams that sellers are faced with. Now 2 years later, eBay seller's worst fears have been realized.

    Along with the new feedback policy that took away seller's rights to leave honest feedback, the detailed seller rating was introduced. The detailed seller rating is broken into 4 categories : item as described, communication, shipping time, shipping charges. This policy is based on a 5 star rating system, however it is very different than most 5 star rating systems that people are familiar with. In the hotel and restaurant industry, a 4 star rating is something that a business owner can be proud of. On eBay a 4 star rating in any 1 of the 4 categories will almost certainly result in a suspension of a sellers account, possible seizure of the sellers funds and having those funds withheld for 180 days.

    The unbelievable truth is, that sellers can have hundreds of successful transactions, with 100% positive feedback, never receiving a negative rating, but 1 low DSR can result in the seller being suspended. The detailed seller rating was designed to improve customer satisfaction, today I am going to explain to you why it actually results in more complaints. The formula for this is simple, if you give people more opportunity to complain, you will get more complaints. I am going to tell you why I think that DSR should stand for : Denying Seller's Rights.


    ITEM AS DESCRIBED - This category is fairly straight forward, it gives the customer an opportunity to rate the accuracy of the way you advertise your product. If you are selling cheap knock off goods and marketing them as high end original products, charging high prices, you could expect low ratings in this category. For the most part this category doesn't pose any problems for sellers that are doing business in an honest way. I still believe that offering a buyer a chance to give a separate rating for this is not necessary. If the buyer doesn't feel that the item is what was described, they will likely choose to leave negative feedback, or request a return for refund.


    COMMUNICATION - Similar to the category of item as described, this policy usually doesn't pose any real problem for sellers. If sellers answer emails in a reasonable amount of time, and provide shipping confirmation after shipping the product, they can expect to receive an adequate rating in this category. Occasionally a buyer might ask about combined shipping, expedited shipping, or something of this nature, and if they are not satisfied with the answer they could leave a low DSR in this category. Sellers that do not speak English well might have a problem with this category, however that does seem to be fair enough, however buyers that can not speak English also pose a problem with communication.

    There is nothing stopping a customer who speaks French, from leaving a poor rating based on the fact they do not understand your English. As a Canadian I often receive emails from French Canadians as well as buyers from France. These buyers send me emails in French and expect me to understand them because I am Canadian. They also in some cases expect a seller to use an online translation service to translate the email, then write a reply and translate that as well. There is nothing stopping a buyer from leaving a poor rating if you fail to do this.


    SHIPPING TIME - This is the category that poses the most problem for sellers. This policy heavily favors American sellers, because domestic shipping inside the USA will likely take less than 1 week in most cases. Many buyers come to expect this 1 week delivery time from sellers no matter where they are located. The standard that buyers seem to use to rate sellers on time of delivery is based on a comparison with other items they may have purchased. I often get mails from buyers that inform me of other items they have purchased on the same day or a few days after they bought an item from me. They might say "I bought a play station from Japan on the same day as I bought this t-shirt from you, the play station arrived yesterday, where is my shirt" The fact is that the postal service in different countries offer different services, that may vary depending on many factors.

    The buyers are using this category to rate the speed of delivery compared to other sellers, which is not an accurate assessment of how fast their order was processed by the seller. In order to accurately rate the shipping time, buyers need to take into consideration where the item is coming from, and what the sellers policy is regarding time of delivery. Many of my eBay items have written in bold that shipping is from Thailand and delivery takes up to 3 weeks. Buyers consistently leave low DSR when items are delivered in less that 3 weeks, because they may not have bothered to read the item description, they may not be aware of how long it takes for international shipping.


    SHIPPING CHARGES - The category of a detailed seller rating for shipping charges is just down right silly! This is one of eBay's dirty tricks. They would like all sellers to offer free shipping, this is something they have been promoting for a few years now. Sellers are charged a sales commission called a final value fee (FVF). The FVF is based on the sale price of the item, so sellers that offer free shipping end up paying more fees to eBay. As more sellers offer free shipping, more customers will begin to expect all sellers to offer this, so in order to receive a decent rating for shipping charges, you may be forced to adopt the policy of free shipping.

    The problem is that shipping is not free, sellers have to pay to ship their items, and while this may not cost so much in the USA, it can be very expensive for international sellers. The idea of allowing customers to give a rating on the amount of money they have to pay for something is ridiculous, what is next? Should we allow buyers to rate the final sale price on auctions as well? Allow them to buy items at a certain price and then complain about it later? As ridiculous as that sounds, it is no more ridiculous than allowing buyers to buy an item from overseas, knowing that there will be a shipping cost that is clearly advertised, then allowing them to complain about the cost that they were aware of when they bought the item.


    THE CONSEQUENCES - The result of this DSR policy is that many honest sellers are facing restricted or suspended accounts for low ratings for shipping charges and shipping time.Sellers with hundreds of transactions and years of selling history are being suspended, regardless of the fact that some of them may have 100% positive overall rating, and may have never been given a negative feedback. International sellers are at a severe disadvantage due to the DSR for shipping time and shipping charges.The feedback policy the way it is now opens up the opportunity for buyers to use tools such as feedback extortion to get over and above what they have purchased, or in some cases even get items for free. The fact that this can happen on eBay is unbelievable and many people might not believe this when they read it. You might think eBay has a policy against feedback extortion, and you are correct.

    The problem is that feedback extortion is impossible to prove. Unless the buyer sends you an email stating that they will leave you a negative feedback unless you give them something for free, then you can not prove any wrong doing. An example of an email from a buyer might be "I purchased this item for my son, his birthday is next week, If you can't deliver it in time I will be disappointed, I will leave feedback based on my satisfaction." Now this seems to clearly indicate that you will receive negative feedback or low DSR ratings unless you upgrade the shipping to a courier service that will deliver in less than a week. This is a common concern that sellers are faced with, and eBay has no system in place to do anything about this.

    MY SUGGESTION TO EBAY - I have heard some people say that International sellers should get a lower rating on shipping time and shipping charges. This is a valid point, and my suggestion is that International sellers should not be held to the same standard as American sellers. Currently sellers are punished for having DSR ratings for lower than 4.5, perhaps eBay should take it into consideration that a seller in Asia with the exact same product and the exact same selling practices as a seller in the USA will not receive the same DSR rating. It is simply not possible to live up to the standards that eBay demands as a seller overseas that is being compared to a seller in the USA. It is not logical to expect buyers to make a rational, informed decision when leaving feedback.

    In order to put an end to Feedback extortion for good, I recommend to eBay that they allow sellers to dispute feedback and have it removed or edited. For example, when you want to give a buyer an unpaid item strike, there is a process where both parties provide evidence and eBay reviews it and makes a decision. They could have a similar policy for DSR rating and feedback. For example, if you advertise that delivery from overseas takes 2-3 weeks, yet a customer leaves a low DSR rating for shipping time. If that item has been delivered in less than 3 weeks you should be able to provide proof of delivery and have that rating removed.

    One of the major problems with the DSR policy is that buyers that are satisfied with the overall transaction, are given an opportunity to complain in one area. Often these buyers have no idea what effect this may have on the seller, if the realized that seller might be suspended from selling all together, they might not be as quick to give a low DSR rating. Most people when talking about a 5 star rating think of a 4 star rating as quite good, and a 3 star rating as fairly average. If you look at how eBay describes the 5 star system, they describe a 4 star rating as satisfied, and a 5 star rating as very satisfied. Now on eBay a 4 star rating equals complete failure, and a 3 star rating simply does not exist, because a seller is removed before they get anywhere close to that. Buyers need to be better educated and need to be more aware of the standards that eBay expects from sellers.


    Source:http://hubpages.com/hub/Ebay-Policy-Detailed-Seller-Rating-Is-Denying-Sellers-Rights
     
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  2. JohnthePig

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    good post alot of info
     
  3. popcrdom29

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    I agree, nice post. There is always a way new policies such as this. I'm sure people will start creating more than one egay account; I'm sure people are already doing this.

    I don't know why they would do this, it will severely limit the amount of money they make. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
     
  4. eBayMafia

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    This is to allow more thorough control and inspection of listings of new buyers. For those that don't know, eBay is getting sued left and right by major brands. eBay has an almost impossible time going after Chinese sellers selling knocks offs. This is really more of a good thing than a bad thing. Less sellers trying to jump on eBay to sell distressed inventory where its all profit. Asian sellers won't be able to sell on eBay short-term anymore. They sell 10 items, then wait a month, get approved to sell another 100, but by their third month they have a 9% dispute rate on PayPal, and low DSR's on eBay.
     
  5. ineedmoney1

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    Asian sellers have low DSR's because shipping is slow and expensive from China and ebay buyers are the dumbest group of people on the face of this planet, not caring that somethings just cant be changed (i want it now and i want it free attitude) so they slam the Asian seller for shipping time and shipping cost.

    I do however like that there will be less Asian competition as it is nearly impossible to compete with there pricing. But at the same time it makes things difficult for everyone.

    i would personally like to see eBay go out of business along with gayPal and have another more ethical (seller friendly) company fill the void.

    All this means is that you just have to work more than one ebay/gaypal account at a time.
     
  6. eBayMafia

    eBayMafia BANNED BANNED

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    And just so everyone knows, you are now allowed to have more than one eBay account IF it is linked with the same information of a confirmed account with good history. You create 2 accounts where neither have passed their 90 day threshold, it's an instant-ban.
     
  7. ineedmoney1

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    maybe i should be more clear.

    this just means that you need to have several STEALTH accounts. unlinked accounts.

    when they all pass the 90 day point you can be an eBay god so to speak lol.

    But there has been several reports of powersellers with old accounts also receiving selling limits?
     
  8. hade

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    Amen brother.
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  9. Daniel0cean

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    there are ways around it. altough I have a new account I am not under these limits
     
  10. MiLiTARYiV

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    Good now most of the spammers and replica sellers will be forced off.


    But I know ways around it. Just create 5 accounts on diff IP so that means you can sell 50 items in 1 month.

    But let me tell you, Ebay is only doing this for the XMAS season because fraud runs high then, once XMAS season is over they will not force this rule as much.

    They do this over and over every year during xmas. Nothing new
     
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  11. xoxxx

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    eBay is run by a staff with has a collective IQ that would match that of a Drunk Monkeys Fetus.
     
  12. sab1153

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    If you call them, they could modify the restriction. I gave them a call and told them what my plan was. They brought up my limit to being able to list $1000 worth of inventory at any given time.
     
  13. jodys

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    Anyone that devotes so much time and energy to eBay seriously needs their head examined. eBay is nothing but a wife beater and the sellers are the wives.

    Build your own site, devote just one month of time that you would be GIVING to eBay and you'll Bank money for at least a year and never work another day on your site. Or go with eBay and work your ass off EVERYDAY building their brand, putting up with their shit and when you quit or get booted you'll have absolutely nothing to show for the hundreds and thousands of hours you've invested except a bunch of bad memories.

    I walked away with 3 PS accounts all in good standing when the FB bullshit started. They even owe me a refund for overpaid seller's fees and I don't have the energy to log in to tell them to send me a check. We used to ship 150+ ebay orders a day and were lucky to make a profit after all the bills were paid. Now we do less work and make a ton more money with people we're happy to have as customers. Our phones ring from 9am to 6pm everyday with people wanting to place orders and rarely do we hear a complaint. We didn't have that when we tried to build a brand on eBay. During our eBay days our phones rang from all the bottom feeders threatening us all the time. eBay attracts the bottom of the barrel when it comes to customers. Anyhow that's my take on eBay - invest in your own brand and not eBay's nor Amazon's.
     
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  14. NotTheDude

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    GREAT post!

    There is A LOT of wisdom here.

    ALSO there seems to be even more of a market now for "seasoned" Ebay accounts.
     
  15. ykloo71

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    stupid ceo ebay...
     
  16. angelas111

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    you know a couple of years ago when i got suspended from ebay i started my career in IM. thanks ebay for a now 6 figure income!!!! i still buy and sell a little bit for personal items but not for a profit.
     
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    eGay is totally shit..
     
  18. pisco

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    As much as i find these new limits a dead end for a lot of sellers, it's good in the way it prevents counterfeit items from surfacing everywhere, but bad in the sense i used to buy some of them :p
     
  19. eBayMafia

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    I was talking to my account manager today, and I asked him about eBays plans and how they are getting rid of knock offs and this is what he told me.

    We are starting to restrict and monitor more of the larger sellers from Asia. Their low prices have made it so that eBay buyers are starting to opt for cheaper prices for items that have a higher non-delivery rate. Also, because sellers who are selling such high volume at low prices up high feedback and trust with eBay, that once they realize they aren't making money or are getting notices of being kicked off of eBay for low DSR's, they start selling replicas by the hundreds or scamming hundreds if not thousands of people.

    eBay can't go after them either, or collect enough information to link accounts, not to mention sending legal notices couldn't be any more worthless. They are already up and running again before they are banned.

    Whats this mean for me? ...Lower competition! Can't compete with me and my free shipping (which improved DSR's automatically) and being in the market. One of my smaller competitors selling one of my favorite niche of items are currently suspended. woot. Looks like its all starting to take affect. Also, I reported a knock off, just to see the response (usually I don't stick my hands into other peoples food) and the item was gone in an HOUR.

    I'm interested to see whats going to happen with this, and see if it turns back to normal after Christmas.

    Also, Amazon is making some internal changes as well. I got a call today asking if I dropship (I usually do, but not on Amazon) and was asked to provide pictures of my inventory in my possession.
     
  20. bobby the big gun

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    Thanks for the info. Real help full info.