Never See A Fat Doctor (Rant)

Well buddy I understand what you're saying, but I am going to just shoot it to you straight.
Anytime you are addicted or rely upon someone else then you are giving them a certain amount
of control to dictate your life.

The blood pressure problem is something not to take lightly. Go to a doctor who cares enough to
find you blood pressure medicine that doesn't make you feel like shit. Then when I looked into the
drug suboxone I found that this could be causing some of the hypertension.

You have self discipline because that's required to work out like you do. So think about how you could
quit that prescription of suboxone without going back to illegal opiates. Until you do that you will always
be at the mercy of some quack doctor.

PS: Any doctor prescribing you suboxone without a medical reason (Pain) doesn't care about you anyway.

-RK

Not sure him being fat has anything to do with him being a cunt. That's like saying "don't ever see an indian doctor" because 1 indian doctor happen to be a douche-bag.

Have you considered going back to your old doctor ?

IamNRE said:

Not sure him being fat has anything to do with him being a cunt. That's like saying "don't ever see an indian doctor" because 1 indian doctor happen to be a douche-bag.

Have you considered going back to your old doctor ?

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I think BreaknBrix brought up his doctor's corpulence because he feels that the doctor expressed a contradiction (e.g., a dentist with poor oral hygiene telling you to take care of your teeth), although I would imagine that BreaknBrix's overweight doctor telling him to be healthy situation is tantamount to an ophthalmologist with myopia telling you to take better care of your eyes (it may be a genetic cause, it may not be).

@BnB,

I realise your situation is frustrating but you have to appreciate your doctor is genuinely concerned about your long-term health and is trying to help you.

Although I completely understand your reaction, going to war with him will not help.

Here's my advice as far as the doctor goes:

Next you you see him, apologise to him, but explain to him calmly the reasons you reacted the way do did. I am guessing the ''mood' effects of the hypertension medication have a huge impact on you (in light of your background and the other meds you take) and that makes it harder to handle them. If that's the case, explain that to him.

I think you'll find if you are a little conciliatory with him and open up a touch, he will become much more receptive to you. Having him onside will be much better than battling with him.

You said the side effects of the hypertension medication are horrendous - it sounds like some of those effects could be down to the meds interacting with and reducing the effects of the Suboxone (mood and energy wise). But that can be managed.

And you also said that after 3 days the effects are so dire you quit them completely. You may find that slowly increasing the dose, or just gritting it out, means your body gets used to it and the side-effects lessen.

I worked in the nursing/psychiatric field many years ago and administering drugs was a minefield of contraindications and interactions - I used to get a new copy of the BNF (British National Formulary) every year as it was constantly being updated.

All drugs have contraindications, but they also interact with hundreds of other drugs. Suboxone for example, interacts with over 500 and in a couple of minutes I found two interactions with heart or blood pressure medications (nicardipine or quinidine) - there are certainly going to be others.

But the only way to figure it out properly is for you and your doctor to work together on it.

And as far as your doctor being overweight - that in no way makes him any less of a doctor. But you know that anyway. You never know, if you work things out with him you may even be able to give him a few pointers on how to get himself in better shape (because that's an area you clearly have expertise in).

Good luck with it, but I'm sure you'll get it sorted out.

I have no idea about medicine, so whether what the doc said was the right treatment or not, I couldn't tell.

That said, the doc handled it right and you wrong. You are paying HIM for treatment, not the other way around. His treatment says "A, B and C". If you don't follow his treatment (which you have every right not to, of course), he has the responsibility to fire you as a client.

Edit: When you go to a restaurant, you ask the owner why he's not fat and claim that ergo his food must suck?

m.rvs2141 said:

I am staying by doctor side, it is up to you to listen to him or order pills you use from internet and treat yourself as you wish, if you choose him like a doctor, you should listen to him and take what she/he's telling you, if you does not want to do so, then easy solution find another doctor or order pill from other country. But on this situation you sound to me as complete ass hole not your doctor.

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Agree. I think the doctor just want to advice you, that's all. Find another doctor then if you don't like him.

Sorry if this is off topic but I didn't read the OP as it's too long for the time I have available. Since we're talking of Doctors here I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

I do not believe in Doctors, I am sure there are those that are genuine but most so called Doctors are nothing more than a live encyclopaedia of information and sometimes not even that, especially here in the UK where when you visit your local GP they will start searching the web. Sometimes you might even get print outs as a bonus.

Unfortunately most Doctors, at least here, do not diagnose you properly they do not look at things from a perspective that requires the whole picture. Your body isn't a bunch of separate systems, it is a bunch of interdependent systems that work together as a whole. In my opinion in order to successfully cure/treat most of our problems Doctors need to do much more than just symptom questioning. Unfortunately the health system is such a mess that it will probably be a long time before our health is actually treated the way it should be treated. Not to forget all of the crap that we get in our food.

I'm not trying to say that Doctors are bad or that they're not trying to help you, they are, it's just that most of them do not think much for themselves or they're limited in terms of what they're allowed to do. They take information in for granted. Not enough people question why what how things work.

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I do not believe in Doctors, I am sure there are those that are genuine but most so called Doctors are nothing more than a live encyclopaedia of information and sometimes not even that, especially here in the UK where when you visit your local GP they will start searching the web. Sometimes you might even get print outs as a bonus.

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That's what you get from "free" services.

Ha ha i really feel you.

I could you endless stories about doctors and their stupidity.
One little story is about my first child were we denied to make any vaccanination cause i decided that the rish of taking vaccanination is way higher than not taking it.
The doctors always asked as if our child was vaccined and i answered we are going to use the swedish system where children are first vaccined after 6 months.
So i had some more time to do proper research .After 6 month they started bombarding us with claims that there are possebitilities that our children will get sick and will have big damages.I told them we need to think about vaccanination cause we wont take 16 but maybe just 3-4 as you claimed these are the important once.
After that i also read that japan is vaccinating their children at the age of 3 and there you also dont see any diffrence in statistics to our childrens.
So i keeped denieing vaccanination and i can tell you i was attacked at each rutine medical control and they will tell you everything so you will have a bad consience.
Sometimes you ask yourself if it isnt better to just take the vaccanination for the child so you wont take that big of responsibility of your child if it gets sick.
But i kept strong and denied it.After our child was 15 months we went for a short time to our neighboor country and visited there a child doc too for routine.
The doc asked us firstly if she is vaccined which i denied and where he asked why.I explained him my concerns and he told me that they have the new vaccine which is 100% safe.He kept watching our child for arround 3 mins with a dark face and told me that our child already has an infaction and it could be to late if we wont vaccine our child instantly.I asked him what vaccines do we really need to take.So he told us the vaccines and their purposes and i told him we are going to deny.
After leaving i told my wife have a look the vaccines they tried to give us here are have totaly diffrent purposes than in the country we live which means based on the claims of our child docs a children vaccined in our country is not safe based on the claim of the doctor on the neiboorhood country and a child vaccined in the neighboorhood country isnt safe in our home country since these vaccines have totaly diffrent purposes.How does it come that children from neighboorhood country without vaccines from our home country have no ilness ?
The answer is simple cause these vacines are a joke.If you research vacines you will instantly see that these can't work and their proof that they work is a joke.
Today our children are really the healthies in the kindergarten and i also met many families who claim that their children got sick/mental ill after these vaccines.
Of course there are some doctors who deny the use of vaciness but these are not being shown.When talking to them directly you can instantly see that their knowledge is way way way higher than the normal doctors who is just basicly interrested in making money and getting his informational material out of pharma industrie.



@OP

To your post you are on the right way.Dont take to much medecine since it will get your body toxic and you will have more issues.Eat healthy (most important) organic food ......make some sport and a detox and you will see it will go upwords.The body is a complex which is being created to heal itself if you provide the right prerequisites

Vrill said:

Of course there are some doctors who deny the use of vaciness but these are not being shown.When talking to them directly you can instantly see that their knowledge is way way way higher than the normal doctors

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Vaccines work and there is overwhelming real-world evidence that they do.

Just look at Smallpox, one of the most dangerous diseases known to man - eradicated with a vaccination programme.
Or Polio - almost the same thing.
And there are many other diseases which have been massively reduced directly as a result of vaccines. Tetanus and Diphtheria for example.

Yes, there are diseases our bodies are more than capable of fighting off naturally - but when it comes to virulent and deadly diseases, vaccines have saved millions of lives.

Trepanated said:

Vaccines work and there is overwhelming real-world evidence that they do.

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I think so as well and I vaccinate the kid. What troubles me is the fine line between "the concept works" and "this specific vaccine is safe to use".

ShadeDream said:

I do not believe in Doctors, I am sure there are those that are genuine but most so called Doctors are nothing more than a live encyclopaedia of information and sometimes not even that, especially here in the UK where when you visit your local GP they will start searching the web. Sometimes you might even get print outs as a bonus..

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Do you want to have a laugh? I literally ran out of a doctor's office once when he looked up something on Wikipedia.

BB, don't you have any methadone clinics where you are? They have suboxone too for certain people. They give it once a week and it's free.

Vaccines work and there is overwhelming real-world evidence that they do.

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Did you even care about reading the studies which "claim" to proof that vaccines work ?I doubt that even you would instantly see that these are jokes if you would read them.

Also the question is also not vaccine if they work or not the question is ,is the risk higher to take vaccines or not to take.Todays vaccines have a lot mercury and other extremly toxic matter which attacks the brain.
A large group of people got sensible about mercury so some vaccines changed mercury into another toxix matter.
Also what is a total absurd your child will always get the same amount of vaccines/toxic matter if its body weight 2 kilo or 15 kilo

Breakn- You crack me up, from your name to your story. Thanks for the laugh.

You contracted with the doc for a certain service (medicine). He is now trying to expand upon the contracted service. You have the right to refuse, as he has the right to refuse treatment. But in reality, I think it's shitty o him to hold you hostage.

BTW, is there some type of blood pressure specialist that you can see? There has to be some medicine that will work for you, without the nasty side effects?

Vrill said:

Did you even care about reading the studies which "claim" to proof that vaccines work ?I doubt that even you would instantly see that these are jokes if you would read them.

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How about this for a tiny little study:

Smallpox killed over 250 million people.
A global vaccination programme completely eradicated it.

jazzc said:

That's what you get from "free" services.

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If only... unfortunately we get taxed.

ShadeDream said:

If only... unfortunately we get taxed.

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That's why the word free it was quoted - someone always pays one way or another The thing is, to pay but get the best for your money.

Vrill said:

So i keeped denieing vaccanination and i can tell you i was attacked at each rutine medical control and they will tell you everything so you will have a bad consience.
Sometimes you ask yourself if it isnt better to just take the vaccanination for the child so you wont take that big of responsibility of your child if it gets sick.

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This is one of the worst mind fucks you can come across. It screws with your conscience and leaves you wondering. Maybe I should have done this or that...

I think some of us if not all of us are just scared to take true responsibility in case we make the wrong decisions.

It's funny how the word "conscience" is made up. "Con" + "science". Interesting...

ShadeDream said:

It's funny how the word "conscience" is made up. "Con" + "science". Interesting...

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Ehm... not exactly

From Old French conscience, from Latin conscientia ("knowledge within oneself"), from consciens, present participle of conscire ("to know, to be conscious (of wrong)"), from com- ("together") + scire ("to know").

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