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Never See A Fat Doctor (Rant)

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by BreaknBrix, Dec 21, 2014.

  1. BreaknBrix

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    I've been seeing my current doctor for about 18 months now. Before this guy I use to see an awesome doctor in Brooklyn. The man was a genius, polite as hell, listened to his patients, respected their opinions and extremely affordable since I don't have health insurance. His office visits were only $60 / visit which is unheard of in New Jersey.

    Problem is I grew sick of driving up to Brooklyn every month to go see him. Its 1 hour ride there, 2 hours in the office, 1 hour back = 4 hours wasted every month and I realized "I need to find a local doctor around his price range".

    Now, I work out and run 4-5 days a week. Eat 3 salads a day, but I AM a salt fiend, drink coffee nonstop and smoke 4-5 American Spirits / day (the natural, non-additive cigs). I went from smoking 2 packs of Marlboro menthol, down to 1 pack, down to a half a pack, then switched to these natural cigs which don't taste as good and it's much easier to smoke less. My plan is to eventually transition to e-cigs then drop the habit.

    Anyway, I've been on a low dose (.25mg) of suboxone for about 5 years now. Because of this, legally, I have to see a doctor once every month.

    About 18 months ago I made 14 phone calls and found a doctor within 20 minutes of my home. Office visits were only $100/month.... but I sensed I was gonna have problems with this man. Not just cause he's 5' 4" and 300lbs, but he's a stubborn, authoritarian type control freak. And over the months I've caught him in many lies which led to a verbal argument in his office yesterday.

    This was basically how the conversation went -

    Doctor - So how is the benicar going?

    Me - I didn't take it cause it was $150 and I'm not paying $150 / month for any medicine.

    Doctor - This is the 9th blood pressure medicine I've prescribed you that you've refused to take.

    Me - I don't refuse to take them doc, the problem is I take them for 2-3 days, the side effects are horrendous, I get headaches, lethargy, I feel like a zombie and then I stop taking them.

    Doctor - You've been in stage 2 hypertension since the 1st day you walked into this office, I tell you this everytime you come in here son but you are most likely going to die of a stroke or heart attack in your early 50's.

    Me - Doc, I'm perfectly aware this is a very serious problem.

    Doctor - You have no problem taking your suboxone... cause it makes you feel good or 'motivated' as you say, but you refuse to take what you really need... and I ethically can't keep doing this. I'm telling you son, lowering your salt intake, coffee or quitting smoking is NOT going to fix this problem. Numbers this high, this consistently as this young an age mean this is a genetic problem. If I can not get your blood pressure down.... let me just put it this way... I'm not assisting your suicide.

    Me - You "ethically" can't keep doing this?... do you need me to sign a waiver or something?

    Doctor - Excuse me?

    Me - I'm saying, I will sign a waiver that states I'm perfectly aware of all the risks of not taking blood pressure medicines... if it'll make you feel any better.

    Doctor - That's not what I mean. What I'm saying is I care about you son, and if you are not going to take this problem seriously, then I can no longer be your suboxone doctor.

    Me - Doctor, when I first came into this office a year and half ago... you told me I had 2 options. Option 1, you could treat me as a suboxone doctor or Option 2, you could treat me both for suboxone and as a medical doctor. I told you I'd prefer if you just treated me as a suboxone doctor. But NOWWW you're telling me you won't do that? So you lied to me?

    *this pissed him off

    Doctor - Son, I reserve the right to treat my patients how I wish to treat them. I can change my mind whenever I want. I'm telling you, this is your last warning. If you do not take the new medicine I'm prescribing you, I will not be your doctor anymore and I won't prescribe your suboxone.

    Me - *I sense he's trying to threaten me so I just roll my eyes.

    Doctor - Don't you understand I'm doing this cause I care about you? I'm trying to tell you that you will DIE if you do NOT start managing your blood pressure.

    Me - Ok, I get it. You "care about me" (I say this very sarcastically). So your plan is to stop seeing me and outright stop prescribing me suboxone. That way I have to go hunting for a new suboxone doctor. And as we both know... less than 5% of doctors are licensed to prescribe suboxone. So it's gonna take me months to find a new doctor. I'm going to run out of suboxone during that time, go through withdrawals and will be forced to relapse on illegal street opiates until I can find a new doctor. All of this during a time in my life when I'm the most stable I've ever been, my business is doing great, life is great.... and your plan is to help me mess all that up?

    Doctor - Son, I'm not gonna collaborate with you about this.

    *I reach the point where I realize "I don't give a fuck what happens right now".
    So I pour more gas on the fire and raise my voice a few decibels..

    Me - I say this with all due respect doctor, but HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED IN THE MIRROR?! You're severely obese, you're on more than 1 blood pressure medicine as you said, for all we know you're gonna be diabetic in another 5 years OR you're already in pre-diabetes.... yet you're telling ME you're not gonna see me anymore cause the last 9 meds you gave me all made me feel like shit and I'd simply rather die early or fix this issue naturally rather than live my life feeling like a zombie? Does that really seem "ethical" or make any sense to you?

    Doctor - (he finally realizes all his patients are listening and shuts the door) Son, we are not here to discuss my health. I'm telling you right now. I'm either going to write you a script for a new blood pressure medicine and you're going to take it, or you can walk outside this office right now.

    Me - Fine, write the script. I'll take the med and our next meeting will be very interesting to say the least.

    He writes the script, says "merry christmas" with a very detached, pissed off tone. I say "you too" then stomp out of the office. The secretary asked me what happened, then I tell her how I think SHE'S an awesome person, but the doctor she works for is an overbearing asshole and hyprocrite.


    So this is my plan. I'm going to get the "valsartan" he prescribed me. I already know based on http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=20665&name=DIOVAN that I won't be able to take it for more than a few days. Askapatient is usually spot on with their reviews and this med has horrible reviews and side effects.

    But next time I go back, I'm bringing a letter with me. This letter will be my sword. It will be a very passionate, well written letter mentioning all the good things I can think of about my doctor. But I'm also going to tell my story, call him out for the liar he is, the hypocrite, a doctor who doesn't respect his patients opinions, an authoritarian control freak, his weight problems... then some very bad things about how he runs his practice. It's a long story but he uses a very sneaky method to extort his patients for money. Legally speaking it wouldn't be considered extortion, but ethically speaking it's the exact definition of extortion. Extortion is defined as "the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats". What he does is you call him up the 1st time, he says office visits are "$100/month". But then he tries to force you to see him twice a month (so he makes $200/month from each patient). For as long as I've seen him he's always said "come back in 2 week". And I ALWAYS come back in 4 cause I know legally speaking, I only have to see him once a month. But I also know there's tons of patients who fall for this shit. I've heard him speak to dozens of other patients and he always says the same shit to them. I've even asked patients in the waiting room "does this guy ever write you refills" and not 1 person has told me "yes". He does all this cause he's a greedy fat fucking pos.

    So IF he says on our next visit "I can't see you anymore", I'm gonna say...

    "Not a problem doc. You might have a PHD in medicine, but I have a PHD in spamming. And I'm leaving you with this 1 simple letter. I suggest you read it very carefully. Because this letter will be posted on vitals.com, healthgrades, g local, suboxones find-a-doctor website, locations and reviews, every directory your practice is listed in... and on top of that I'm going to submit the article to more than 10 million websites optimized for your name so if anyone searches your practice on Google, THIS ARTICLE will be the first thing they read. Have a nice life".

    Moral of the story - stay away from fat doctors.

    -BB
     
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  2. Capo Dei Capi

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    I'd rather self medicate than go to a Dr, other than for surgery and stuff I can't do myself. They are way to expensive to go to in the states if one doesn't have insurance.
     
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    nevermind, i was wrong
     
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  4. BreaknBrix

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    @STKMFK ... That's exactly what I'm doing. Tomorrow I'm ordering 70 - 2mg suboxone from a source I have in the Philippines (in case of emergency). I use to use him in the past and after this I think I'm just gonna go back to self medicating.

    Doing it that way will cost $200 for what will last me roughly 6 months. So I'd be paying 30% what I'd be paying an American doctor.

    Quite honestly, I should have done that from day 1.
     
  5. Capo Dei Capi

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    Dude the Affordable healthcare act was voted into law and signed in 2010.
     
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    What you said is some funny shit! So true my Dr is obese and tells me I need to lose a few pounds! Have you tried Horizon Blue of New Jersey... my cousin is self employed and has it... not sure what he pays.
     
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    Your doctor is right when it comes to you taking the Bp meds, I had a doctor tell me the same thing a few years ago, that if I didnt start taking bp meds that I would probably have a stroke or heart attack and I didn't like the sound of it plus he didn't smile when he told me, long story short I've taken my bp meds every since, with no noticeable side effects by the way. My blood pressure and overall health is doing great!

    I told a nurse once that I didn't want to take bp meds the rest of my life and she made one simple reply to me that I will never forget and that reply was ITS BETTER THAN BEING IN YOUR GRAVE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!
     
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  8. jamesjk1

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    I feel ya man. I've come to the conclusion that most doctors don't know what the fuck they're talking about and that getting 'Dr' placed in front of your name doesn't mean shit. I hold this especially true for psychologists - what an absolute joke.

    Re: your sodium/caffeine conundrum - There's a pretty strong like between salt and the neurotransmitter dopamine. Have you tried something like Zyban (wellbutrin) to ease off the cigs before tapering off the meds?
     
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    Ok, here comes an unpopular opinion.

    Your doctor is a human being, just like you. He's allowed to have his own ethical code of conduct. When he first met you, he was fine with the idea of being just a suboxone doctor if that's what you wanted. At that time for whatever reason, you guys went down option 2 (despite you saying you wanted option 1, not sure what happened there). Now that he knows you and has established a relationship, he's not ok with not treating you for your blood pressure. That is his right to feel that way. He is NOT obligated to serve you. He DOES, however, carry a responsibility to give you a list of doctors who may be able to help you with your needs.

    The doctor's health really is none of your business here. So I guess if being an assh0le made you feel better great, but clearly it didn't solve much. If you wanna post your story, no one can stop you, but all it really shows me is that here's a doctor who got bit in the ass for caring.

    Now, what are these side effects you're having and what meds have you actually tried? I'm not about to give medical advice, but I'll, uh, consider your situation.
     
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  10. 1morenoob

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    haha I had the same the other day.Me: Can I have a blood test to check hormone levels Doctor: Have you used steroids before? Me: yes Doctor: I'm not wasting tax payer money when its self inflicted me: but you waste tax payer money to treat fat people for heart disease? Doctor: Yes but they aren't taking illegal drugs Me: steroids are legal in the uk
     
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  11. srb888

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    I am sorry if this will make you angry. I think you need to get off the cigs immediately, and reduce, at least, all other things that are causes of hypertension... Immediately.

    In my case, I listened to a doctor (cardiologist) who sounded as much egoistic about his medical knowledge, as much uncaring for his patients' thoughts and opinions, and as much an a$$h0le, rude when he said that I would die within less than a week if I don't STOP smoking right then....

    I listened to him though I was unsure how I was going to stop a habit which had me in its grasp for more than 35 years! But when I came out of his room, I had stopped smoking in mind first, and then literally. Still, I had to go into ICCU that very night, then again in another a few months later (3 months later), and had severe life-threatening complications due to my heart problems. I am off nicotine, off tea, off sweets, off heavy and incompatible foods, off anger (almost :)), off various things that hurt my "ego"... but I am now enjoying my life even though my cardiac efficiency is not what it should normally be. I am alive, becuase I have a great anger control device (mind control!) firmly in place. I am totally off nicotine since that moment in his room (since November 2011), off Tea (our tea contains milk and sugar), off sweets, am on proper diet, and even if I die tonight, I will die a much better person and even with these severe complications. I believe that that doctor, however "rude" he sounded in that one off meeting, made me turn back sharply and made me take the most appropriate actions -- instantly!

    So I would like to suggest you to begin a new life and move BACK into the health zone BEFORE any of those health disasters strike your life's peace. Your OP sounds like you are totally pissed off, may be a lot more than you should actually be... and that comes from uncontrolled anger/emotions. I know that you must vent off those feelings to others (us, and you're really welcome) or they can blow your mind off if kept inside you...

    But, it (uncontrolled emotions/stress) is harming your vital organs like the heart, kidneys, even nervous system and other vital organs, and all the time they are deteriorating... So not advisable causing so much damage to so many things/organs that are totally important to you. I am also a doctor, so please at least listen to this. You can go back to your earlier doctor, even if it means spending much time, and if it keeps your systems happier than this one.

    That fat/ugly doctor may have his own problems and some of them are visible to you, but a doctor has also many people to treat and it causes him/her that much stress too. So be more considerate and return to a point where you won't feel so much pissed off. This will do wonders to you (coming back to a point where you're happier), will give your system some time to become more healthy (those organs are made super strong and can take a lot of punches and still keep on going "normally"), and you can smile at life again! Life doesn't punish us as much as we punish it! Even as it takes so much hurt from our habits. More than what the whole outside world does to us it is us who do the most damage to it... even then, as a true friend, it (our life forces collectively) is always trying to stay normal so that we can enjoy "life"! It is the only real friend that we have, and it needs us to help it help us... so: Think! It is not just the meds that help, but the meds need our own emotions to help it win over our disorders.

    Another thing you can attempt to copy an example:

    My wife has moderate hypertension, it is still bad to her, but she laughs and stays happy even with all the stresses she has to face. Her 24x7x365 happy state of mind has made her disorder/s very manageable. I know that she IS winning her battles, and in style too :)! Once her gynecologist and his doctor wife, who are great family friends too, complimented me on having her by my side. They both told me that they face so many patients who are agitated beyond control on much lesser disorders, and there is this woman (my wife) whose approach towards life is so positive! They said that they actually are relieved of their professional stresses, even their personal stresses, when they see her even sitting in the waiting room, and they look forward to talking with her in the consultaiton room! She had to undergo blood transfusions as her Hb count had gone to below 5 on more than one occasions, she wasn't even able to walk or get up those times, and still managed all her duties without a complaint or without losing her smile and freshness! Nothing stops her from keeping working and doing her "housewife" duties! I guess that it is her positive approach and the work that keeps her going!

    So the point is: try to smile and laugh a lot. Be very positive... Keep off the negative thoughts. Take good care of your problems, health ones the most. Create those special situations, many of those every day, where you would have peace and laughter. Tell yourself how important you are -- to yourself first! Involve people around you and create that healthy happy atmosphere. When health problems, anger or disappointments strike, they will, try to cool them off with firm control and get proper treatment on time... Keep a watch on diet and habits... Do your exercises on time... take a walk as much as you can, enjoy nature, ... whatelse? :)

    Wishing you a greatly positive, prosperous, happy, and healthy life!

    Keep smiling :)

    P.S.:

    Btw, enjoy the nature, even the mad-(man- :))made one in NY, as you ride to and from Brooklyn... I was working in NYC -- off Penn stn., staying in Queens, and had to visit NJ (Metuchen, but not sure of the name of the town after these 20 years or so), many times by train. I enjoyed every moment of my ride to and fro that small town to Penn Station... It is up to us to enjoy the ride and try help stay healthy in mind and body. lol. The mind will make or break our peace and the state of being normal...

    Stay cool! Focus on becoming the healthiest person on this earth!
     
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    Most steroids that I know are to be taken in a very specific way and in the reverse way to stop it from harming short and longterm. If you don't know how to start and stop a steroid course, then you shouldn't be using them on you imo.
     
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  13. 1morenoob

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    lol i know how to use them, just get blood tests every 6 months. Been private to do it every time before but don't see why I should when fat people etc don't as said. You can't guarantee 100% recovery no matter what you do, infact 100% recovery is unlikely no matter what you do
     
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    I quit reading 1/3 the way through. I do computer work and I've been in one particular doctor's office for the last 3 weeks building, installing and configuring a new server. All day long and every day, 3 doctors and 3 Medical Assistants field numerous phone calls EACH AND EVERY DAY, ALL DAY LONG from patients that want their "feel good" drugs. But they don't want to come in for an appointment, they don't want to get other routine tests that need to be done each year, they don't want A, B, C, D or E, all they want is their drugs. The MA's talk about these people constantly, all day long, it's ALL they talk about as "background chatter" while they are busy doing their work, inputting data into the charts, etc... (whatever it is that they do).



    Anyways, in any medical practice anywhere in the US, you'd be called a "drug seeker" and once pigeon-holed they are going to treat you according your your category. You've ceased being a person, you are a drug seeker. They'll "listen" to whatever it is that you've got to say, but they are fully aware that at the end of your speech, what you want is drugs. All those nifty, clever and distracting details all lead to exactly one place. You want drugs. They know that.
     
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    This is a little of topic, last time i went to the emergency room i got drunk as fuck i woke up my left wrist was totally useless didn't fully realize it tell i proceeded to go to my back door and tried to unlock it realized shit wtf is wrong with my hand couldn't even grip the lock worst shit came into my mind since alot of my family has died from heart attacks, strokes.

    Anyway long story short told the er lady what happened. She asked me if i had any mental problems so i was being truthful cuz this situation seemed very serious to me (thought i might be on the verge of tipping over dead lol) told her i had bad anxiety problems, but anyway after i told her that she forgot to shut the door all the way after she did all the regular test, i heard another lady ask what she thought was wrong with me and she just said ohh he is CRAZY! They pretty much blew me off after that ( at least i felt like they did) im saying this cuz i come to believe that once a medical staff has deemed you as crazy or whatever your pretty much fucked with them anything you say to them goes in one ear and out the other.

    But my diagnoses was carpal tunnel syndrome, i'm a programmer and webmaster been doing it for more then 10 years so it caught up to me also slept on my hand that night cuz i passed out drunk. But like dude said once your deemed a druggie crazy your fucked with that staff.
     
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    Sorry to hear what happened man.

    Give it a rest and give some peace to yourself. Holding on to anger is like holding on to a hot coal, burning yourself. In the end, the only guy who gets burnt badly is yourself. Hope you'll forgive and forget. Cheers to your better health. Hope you feel better.
     
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    Off topic too: :)

    Forgive yourself and your ailing part/s. Seek forgiveness too from yourself for scr3wing your great life and those parts that make up the part of your life, and from all those part/s that have taken all the sh!t from your abuse to them all years long. lol. You take those med advices and their fcking meds too (that's the Disclaimer, so that you don't put the law after me :))... You will be amazed at the speed of recovery you do from the moment you do that! Free and Very Powerful "medical" procedure this...

    Try it :)
     
  18. m.rvs2141

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    I am staying by doctor side, it is up to you to listen to him or order pills you use from internet and treat yourself as you wish, if you choose him like a doctor, you should listen to him and take what she/he's telling you, if you does not want to do so, then easy solution find another doctor or order pill from other country. But on this situation you sound to me as complete ass hole not your doctor.
     
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    dude try a no carb diet, less than 20 grams of carbs a day, no sodium, you will be rocketing in 6 weeks. Balance your meals with the foundation greens, protein and fat. You need some carbs, but eat just he foundation greens.
     
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    Mate I think there is a wee bit more to the story than your telling, but that's your prerogative, and not my business.

    I'm rapidly approaching 40 with two young beautiful kids, who I love more than anything in the world. I look back on the advice I got in my 20's and rolled my eyes because I was young and indestructible, and wish I had listened.

    If you have a stroke, you might not die! You might be left utterly incapable of doing anything for yourself. Unable to communicate, or get to the toilet. Whatever it is that has got you to this point, the doctor is right, no matter how fat he is, you have to try and reverse it.

    My wife's cousin sounds exactly like you, your op could have been him speaking. He is 32 and went to sleep on Thursday evening, his girlfriend woke with a freezing cold body beside her on Friday morning. She is pregnant, he is dead.