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Negative SEO doesn't work?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by auxiliarus, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. auxiliarus

    auxiliarus Regular Member

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    Just lurked through Google and found a #1 site ranked for a good keyword, looked through the back-links and they were all damn bad, around 21k and around 17k are about #Porn #Child Porn # Gay Porn #Sex #Indian Sex and so on... Yet the site is still on #1, any thoughts?
     
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    Maybe Google is starting to do something right :)
     
  3. auxiliarus

    auxiliarus Regular Member

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    I'm starting to believe Matt Cutts that Negative SEO is impossible.
     
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    It's an Algo, of course it can be gamed.
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    Negative seo doesn't work on sites that are authority sites, sites that have age and a lot of good backlinks and content usually.
     
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  5. auxiliarus

    auxiliarus Regular Member

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    The site also has 300+ 301 redirects.
     
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    I've ranked non-adult sites on #1 spot with links from adult sites, I've blasted the cr@p out of my sites and ended up on 1st page for high competition keywords. So yes, neg seo doesn't always work.
     
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    I dont understand why would you do that in a first place :)...something like a test or ???
     
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    Yeah some guy had blasted 27k viagra and dick pills backlinks to my site and I still rank #2
    No drop whatsoever
     
  9. auxiliarus

    auxiliarus Regular Member

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    You should check your site for the keyword 'Viagra', who knows - maybe it will pop-up at the 10th page after that.
     
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    They are doing Neg Seo wrong IMO... Google is looking for people intentionally trying to game the system. Slamming 50k viagra links to your site about red solo cups, likely wont help it or hurt it.

    Want to hurt a site like that? Send 50k links with the keyword "red solo cups" to it and see if they dont get an over-optimization penalty.
     
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    This is due to the fact that blasting 100k links to a website is the kiddie way of doing NSEO. They can't do real SEO, and neither can they do real NSEO.
     
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    That doesn't work always either.
     
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  15. auxiliarus

    auxiliarus Regular Member

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    You mean -
    Not to be a grammar Nazi or anything.
     
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    I have heard that spamming racial slurs / hate speech will get the Google hammer and also the added benefit of webmasters squealing complaints to the hosting provider. Not that I personally would do it, but I have heard that it works.
     
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    I heard going to WF and buying "One Million VERIFIED GOOGLE APPROVED" for 7$ can be treated as Negative SEO?
     
  18. Getwhatchuwant

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    Of course not, like it was mentioned authority sites have trust so they absorb attacks like that but you have to understand what Google is looking for, intentional attempts at gaming the algo. I dont think someone running a cooking site is going to intentionally throw xx,xxx porn links to the site, if I can come to that conclusion I am guessing google will too. On the other hand if you saw xx,xxx links suddenly appear about cooking related terms you could guess (and possibly be correct) that the owner is trying to game the system.

    Lets put it this way, OP was easily able to tell this was probably NSEO, almost everyone on this thread assumes that this was probably NSEO, based on that I would assume Google knows the same thing. This is not typical behavior for a site owner who is trying to increase his SERP rankings.
     
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    Negseo *probably* does work but it depends how you do it. If you simply buy 20 xrumer gigs, you're probably gonna help your competitor more than hurt him.
     
  20. auxiliarus

    auxiliarus Regular Member

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    But what if the guy is outsmarting the system, by making the Google system believe someone is trying to do NSEO, Google does not recognize it is NSEO and for him it's actually PSEO after that.
    What if he calculated it all...