:) My [Journey] AI Blogging Sites (Yes, another one). Display ads [ Goal 5000$ USD a month with 500 000 Pageviews ] :)

I've been following this post for a long time and almost read all the pages. You really inspire the community here and I appreciate to you for that detailed explanations. Keep that good work up! I don't wish you a chance because you don't need it!

mentolcho said:

Hey @Jaordas, I've been following your journey since the beginning and was waiting for you to tap into the affiliate monetization method.
Your journey motivated me to start acting and try building a site with AI content.

When I focus on creating articles within a specific category/cluster, I observe similar "Intro"/"conclusion" paragraphs generated across all articles. It looks like the first intro/conclusion was spun a few times, even though I'm using a new "tab" when generating.

Can you share if you have faced such repetition in your articles and outlines, and if you have managed to solve it?

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when trying to generate content all at once, especially if you let AI know you are attempting to generate a blog, paper etc, it will constantly want to make intros and conclusions.

I hated this a lot, to the point I completely removed them.

I cant give exact details how on a technical sense but I can tell you the basic idea.

Keep in mind that I use automation made in house, so it is something you need to make yourself for best results.

(assuming some tool hasnt figured it out but I dont use them so idk)

I basically have the AI generate each section of the article seperate from the whole including the last parts.

It is given the subheading (since I have this pre generated and given, it cant make up its own "introduction" heading so it starts off )

So the actual intro section will get information to write such as in an article about the "history of Email marketing"

would be " Ray Tomlinson and the first Email 1971 "

Within, prompt for that section it is specified to be conise in the writing along with some other things. I have found that telling it not to make

an intro or conclusion doesnt work as well as I hope so I dont mention that part in the promts, It on what information needs to be included for the most part.

The next heading will have information from the past subheading summerized and given to it, along with its current heading and current directive.


it goes down the list for a set of subheadings, then just stops at the end. Since it isnt aware when it is at the conclusion of the article, it doesnt attempt to write it.

My pages end with resources or faqs etc.

I also have a negative checking bot that reads the sections to look for information I dont want.


It has its own set of prompts and it is feed the generations from the main bot.

Basically it is supposed to look for things like:

Does it use the word "introduction"
Does it list a name of a real person that isnt easy to associate with the sentence

(this is because AI makes up people, so the negative AI is meant to notice when a name that isnt historically significant is used,

while the use might be right, it is just safer to remove facts that you arent able to confirm, I had problems of it making up the inventor names

for niche products)

if it finds any of the negative things, it is to rewrite the whole sub heading.


Depending on the project, the AI might get feed information from scraping, or from abusing bing chat to get bullet points of information with sources



whatever is cheaper or have better quality in the moment I use.

but since AI has memory limit, all information each section is feed is broken down into bullet points and shortened so it can get the most information with the

least fluff. When you give too much command at one time, sometimes it ignores some.

Misinformation exist on the internet, so obviously I have no idea if someone like "larry robberts" even exists

but if the negative AI doesnt know the name either, it just removes the part.

If it is a famous name then it will leave the fact alone. Sorry this ended up me talking about quality control for articles but,

it all ties in at the end because bullet points like this is exactly how I have even product facts broken down and feed into sections.

I have the AI write sales copy using facts from product pages etc, and have a negative AI that removes things like.

"conclusion, you should buy this product" because it is tacky and in general we usually have one main product on a page

that we want to drive the most clicks to. No point in having 10 conclusions on a 10 product round up post.


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tldr:

Gaslight your AI in the prompt so it doesnt know it is writing a paper, because it makes intros and conclusions when it things it is writing such things.

Have your system automate a fact checking / negative AI that will read chunks and produce a "Good" or rewrite the section if it finds things you tell it to remove.

This will remove most of those things, ideally from the first step most should be gone as you dont want each section to need to be constantly rewritten, the price

will stack up fast.

If you are working at the language model level you can give negative weight to the words "conclusion, final thoughts, etc" to reduce likelyhood of the AI making them

in an overly obvious way.

I'm not gonna go into detail on coding or automating these things, but this is the general idea for the people who will put the work in to make their version of the

content production.

Jaordas said:

when trying to generate content all at once, especially if you let AI know you are attempting to generate a blog, paper etc, it will constantly want to make intros and conclusions.

I hated this a lot, to the point I completely removed them.

I cant give exact details how on a technical sense but I can tell you the basic idea.

Keep in mind that I use automation made in house, so it is something you need to make yourself for best results.

(assuming some tool hasnt figured it out but I dont use them so idk)

I basically have the AI generate each section of the article seperate from the whole including the last parts.

It is given the subheading (since I have this pre generated and given, it cant make up its own "introduction" heading so it starts off )

So the actual intro section will get information to write such as in an article about the "history of Email marketing"

would be " Ray Tomlinson and the first Email 1971 "

Within, prompt for that section it is specified to be conise in the writing along with some other things. I have found that telling it not to make

an intro or conclusion doesnt work as well as I hope so I dont mention that part in the promts, It on what information needs to be included for the most part.

The next heading will have information from the past subheading summerized and given to it, along with its current heading and current directive.


it goes down the list for a set of subheadings, then just stops at the end. Since it isnt aware when it is at the conclusion of the article, it doesnt attempt to write it.

My pages end with resources or faqs etc.

I also have a negative checking bot that reads the sections to look for information I dont want.


It has its own set of prompts and it is feed the generations from the main bot.

Basically it is supposed to look for things like:

Does it use the word "introduction"
Does it list a name of a real person that isnt easy to associate with the sentence

(this is because AI makes up people, so the negative AI is meant to notice when a name that isnt historically significant is used,

while the use might be right, it is just safer to remove facts that you arent able to confirm, I had problems of it making up the inventor names

for niche products)

if it finds any of the negative things, it is to rewrite the whole sub heading.


Depending on the project, the AI might get feed information from scraping, or from abusing bing chat to get bullet points of information with sources

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whatever is cheaper or have better quality in the moment I use.

but since AI has memory limit, all information each section is feed is broken down into bullet points and shortened so it can get the most information with the

least fluff. When you give too much command at one time, sometimes it ignores some.

Misinformation exist on the internet, so obviously I have no idea if someone like "larry robberts" even exists

but if the negative AI doesnt know the name either, it just removes the part.

If it is a famous name then it will leave the fact alone. Sorry this ended up me talking about quality control for articles but,

it all ties in at the end because bullet points like this is exactly how I have even product facts broken down and feed into sections.

I have the AI write sales copy using facts from product pages etc, and have a negative AI that removes things like.

"conclusion, you should buy this product" because it is tacky and in general we usually have one main product on a page

that we want to drive the most clicks to. No point in having 10 conclusions on a 10 product round up post.


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tldr:

Gaslight your AI in the prompt so it doesnt know it is writing a paper, because it makes intros and conclusions when it things it is writing such things.

Have your system automate a fact checking / negative AI that will read chunks and produce a "Good" or rewrite the section if it finds things you tell it to remove.

This will remove most of those things, ideally from the first step most should be gone as you dont want each section to need to be constantly rewritten, the price

will stack up fast.

If you are working at the language model level you can give negative weight to the words "conclusion, final thoughts, etc" to reduce likelyhood of the AI making them

in an overly obvious way.

I'm not gonna go into detail on coding or automating these things, but this is the general idea for the people who will put the work in to make their version of the

content production.

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Thanks for the update OP. I've been following this thread silently.

@Jaordas Thank you very much for the detailed response!

The idea to adjust the prompt which is responsible for the article outlines/sections does help. I've tried a few articles with a new prompt that breaks down the title(which comes from another prompt for the targeted keyword) into a few bullet points - do not result in any chapters mentioning "Intro"/"Conclusion".

I am not looking into scaling too much yet, so I am just piling up the backlog and reviewing manually each article before posting (following your suggestion to not overpost, just 1-2 articles a day). Also, I have a script that automates/runs the prompts in a chain, similar to the way I execute the prompts via the ChatGPT UI, but with their API and a Python script. This is how I can have a more lengthy article and not hit the credit limit, or miss some key facts as you mentioned.

I have never tried negative prompts, but I've seen them used for image generation. They can really come in handy in such product reviews when the AI comes up with some made-up names.

I believe that even without the intro/conclusion chapters, we may still face some repetition in the core bullet points. If we use the cat niche for example - you can write and make a good 3-5k words article on how to wash your cat, but if you try to achieve topical authority and attempt to write a 3-5k words article on the different keywords you have obtained after the clusterization - let say how to wash your Cat's paws and how to clean your Cat's nails. For these two articles you may get a lot of repetitive information in the core bullets simply because they all focus on the same cat body part.

I guess my next challenge/step is to get the sweet spot for the word count for each article generation, which will ensure that the subject of the targeted keyword is covered with a unique copy without overdoing it or causing repetition - AI is fully capable of writing 5k words on how to cut your Cat nails if prompted properly, however, this will not ensure that the article is not overdone or humanly written.

Looking forward to your next updates.
Thanks again!

jonathan101 said:

Thanks for the update OP. I've been following this thread silently.

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Thanks for following, keeps me encouraged to keep going.

mentolcho said:

@Jaordas Thank you very much for the detailed response!

The idea to adjust the prompt which is responsible for the article outlines/sections does help. I've tried a few articles with a new prompt that breaks down the title(which comes from another prompt for the targeted keyword) into a few bullet points - do not result in any chapters mentioning "Intro"/"Conclusion".

I am not looking into scaling too much yet, so I am just piling up the backlog and reviewing manually each article before posting (following your suggestion to not overpost, just 1-2 articles a day). Also, I have a script that automates/runs the prompts in a chain, similar to the way I execute the prompts via the ChatGPT UI, but with their API and a Python script. This is how I can have a more lengthy article and not hit the credit limit, or miss some key facts as you mentioned.

I have never tried negative prompts, but I've seen them used for image generation. They can really come in handy in such product reviews when the AI comes up with some made-up names.

I believe that even without the intro/conclusion chapters, we may still face some repetition in the core bullet points. If we use the cat niche for example - you can write and make a good 3-5k words article on how to wash your cat, but if you try to achieve topical authority and attempt to write a 3-5k words article on the different keywords you have obtained after the clusterization - let say how to wash your Cat's paws and how to clean your Cat's nails. For these two articles you may get a lot of repetitive information in the core bullets simply because they all focus on the same cat body part.

I guess my next challenge/step is to get the sweet spot for the word count for each article generation, which will ensure that the subject of the targeted keyword is covered with a unique copy without overdoing it or causing repetition - AI is fully capable of writing 5k words on how to cut your Cat nails if prompted properly, however, this will not ensure that the article is not overdone or humanly written.

Looking forward to your next updates.
Thanks again!

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Nice to see someone who is taking towards building what they need. I want to clear up something however.

When I mention a negative AI for text I primarily mean an text generator that is given the instructions on what is negative, not some sort of setting.

For example, I just took your message and basically short prompt on playground the "negatives" and it writes your message over but without the things I wanted it to remove.




Im only using playground to show this but you gonna work it into your own machine. It is not perfect but since you can have every part of the article summarized you can totally use it to prevent repetition in a single article.

I would not be too worried about cross articles being similar unless you litterally did no quality control on how close of the keywords you picked.

An article on how to wash your cat can give grooming tips, so can a full article of the ultimate grooming guide, so as an article that is about dealing with shedding animals.

People dont want to click around a ton, if the information makes sense to be on the page then it should. different pages will have different levels of detail.

However using these methods you can significantly reduce the repeatition within a single article. Which is good since it is extremely clear an article is AI written

when it keeps repeating the same points too often.

Lets say that message you just sent to me is a part of a page I just generated.

The next step was to add the auto generated negatives (this is highly dependant on what you are going for, but if it is at the top of the page it might not have a reason to have negatives.

BUT to reduce the AI repeating all the same information, the text can be summarized into chunks (to conserve space) and automatically feed into the next prompt as things to avoid talking about

because they were already covered.



your whole message has now become 21 words of summary so the next section already has an idea what it is continuing from.

So if your page JUST had a cat washing section, then it now knows not to repeat the same information again on the same page.

I do wonder why anyone would write 2 articles "how to wash your Cat's paws and how to clean your Cat's nails", these sound almost the same to me

even the direction doesnt sound different (like a guide vs a small informational post). I googled both the keywords and many same pages rank for both.

Wikihow, webmd etc. This should not even be 2 seperate posts after clustering, you may need to cluster more strictly if you are finding too much

of these in your niche. After a cluster you should have most of your keywords be relatively unique.

However it is possible this is just a rare one where clustering didnt group them even though they are extremely similar.

This happens, and especially at scale with no quality control, you cant catch it. Google will just pick which version it wants to rank

or rank neighter. However if you dont plan to do over 500 posts in a month, it only takes a few minutes to skim over your whole hit list

to make sure you dont have a ton of these even after clustering.


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Also, just be careful with your work count, just because we can makie 5 k word articles doesnt mean we should, however I trust you know your niche better than me.

Some niche like SEO niche love massive articles with tons of pictures.

Some niche, especially if it isnt a guide page, going over 3 k words becomes overkill.

Well, unless your website is powerful and you are optimizing for ad revenue, then ignore that for the most part.

I kept saying I would do this a while back so I did.

I have compiled all the earnings for all the NON english languages the website is currently translated into (not all pages have been indexed or given a chance to rank, so this is not a representative of how

the entire website would be if it was made in these languages and given the same time to rank as english, also, some languages were only added recently and dont even have over
a week of data)

Ive purposefully removed smaller languages and certain numbers to make calculating traffic and knowing how much languages it is translated into not possible.

This is for obvious reasons as it would be easier to confirm my site if you have something like that. It is not uncommon for sites in my niche to be translated
so without exact information it isnt as easy.

I left the major ones cus I think most people would first want to translate to them, and I left russian just because I wanted to mention it.




English (not included) gets around over 20 epmv so it is clear non english languages dont exactly have the greatest pay per visits on my site. However as said before, I think it is stupid

for someone with a large decent informational site to not translate their content. It is leaving money on the table even if you dont have any business intention with

non english speakers currently. Some languages are starved for content on the web, so if your content is decent, you are also providing a service to

another fellow human.

Non english languages make up 15% of the revenue out of the 3600$ I last reported. This is sub folders btw, so if anyone tells you they dont rank, send them to kiss my a...... that was kinda rude, nvm

just politely inform them that their opinion is invalid because another internet stranger told you so.

If someone asked you if you wanted 17% more revenue for little to no work next month, would you take it?



Note: this doesnt apply to tiny websites, if your site is too small to have enough good content to earn in non eng, then translating too soon might just be adding extra head ache. I dont

have any guide on WHEN to start, but since I know my own capabilities I often start around 1000$ a month since it will pay for its own translation, and that gives it much more time to rank.

Obviously I didnt exactly follow that timeline in this journey. I cant remember what month I even started, but I know I posted on here when I did so if it matters much, you can dig for it.


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So, first of all, ES is the first language I translate all the time, everyone does this if you are America focused I guess.

It is the biggest non english language by earning for me

Like, over a fifth is just from ES alone.

FR for some reason on this website has lower EPMV than ive ever seen on my past websites, it is removed but just know it is not impressive.

DE has good epmv as usual, I can still never understand why they earn me so much across all websites. I know little about Germans, but with how

little people ever talk about them to me id have expected translating to their language to be mostly irrelevant to earnings, however years ago I realized I was

wrong, and they are often early on the hit list.

If anyone wants to explain to me why they are valuable to advertisers, id apprecate it, if not, ill just stay ignorant.

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My god russian EPMVs depress me so much especially since the you know what started.

Sometimes I wonder why I even translate to it still, but somehow ive been getting enough raw traffic from them to make up for the small epmv

For that same reason I translate many of certain languages. Even if the epmv is low, since they have a lot of people it can add up the earnings.


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Im only sharing this because some of you

might find it interesting, or even take action yourself.

I dont fear competition in this since many languages are underserved in general, and many people will only read this and never translate.

Also, many readers dont even have website large enough to take action on this yet, but the information should be in the back of your head for when you have

the ability and want some cheap growth.

You also get randoms links from some languages with less web resources easier since sometimes you will be the only page directly targeting a long tail in their language.

If you are ever bored and wasting time one day, try using vpn and change your google language in incognito, use chat gpt to translate some of your top keywords, and

search them in another language to see how much competition is even there. Sometimes you might find their are no articles targeting the search, or all the articles

are tiny with low info.

Native speakers arent often fond of machine translated websites because of clear errors, but it is often better than no information at all.

500$ might not seem like a lot, but you need to think of the bigger picture, if this earning the same for 12 months it is an extra 6237.12 $ usd a year.

You know how much dumb shit an extra 6 k can do?

If you make 30$ an hour, it is 207 hours of your life back to spend with family or doing nothing.

I only know american stats, forgive me but, the average American works

1801 hours in a year. You can do your own calculation and start seeing how much of your life you take back control over by simply translating a medium size website.

I envy you all who live in much cheaper to survive countries. I am not saying we all dont struggle no matter our country.

Hi.
Do you translate only the most visited articles?
You use hreflang method for translate? What plugin do you recommend for hreflang?
Use additional headings (text) or just a translation?

Jaordas

Thanks for all the info. Lots of good info and sometimes hard to understand, because its piled up.
And 30 pages is a lot to read which im gonna do anyway.

But where do you recommend to begin if I want to make small blog for specifc niche?
With AI of course. I dont like writing articles. I can do some rewriting and such but not from scratch.

matvik said:

Hi.
Do you translate only the most visited articles? Yes, in that order, but goal is to translate all
You use hreflang method for translate? yes What plugin do you recommend for hreflang? I dont use any
Use additional headings (text) or just a translation? I dont know what you mean. I have talked about my translations before so the answer might be back there

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olivier said:

Jaordas

Thanks for all the info. Lots of good info and sometimes hard to understand, because its piled up.
And 30 pages is a lot to read which im gonna do anyway.

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It is a lot but this is why I say use search function, it makes it easier to just find things you are interested in seeing if was mentioned.

olivier said:

But where do you recommend to begin if I want to make small blog for specifc niche?
With AI of course. I dont like writing articles. I can do some rewriting and such but not from scratch.

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Honestly, idk what to say as "small" for me is probably not the same for you.

If you are looking to just start and get the ball rolling without learning much of everything, then the path of least resistance is to pay for chat GPT and just learn how to prompt it
Aswell as set up your openai playground and learn how to use that along with the background section.

This will allow you to give it information it might not know, and allow you to tell it how you want the article written.

Robots cant think too well or follow too specific instructions so you just play around with it till you get it to make things like you want.

You will need to do a lot of editing by hand depending on how good you want the article to be, but it will still be lightspeed faster than writing content 5 years ago.

That is just how I see someone totally new starting as they wont have the patience or motivation to go spend time learning to automate it more.

You will be able to make a few articles per day by yourself, save your prompts and just take it slow building the "small " blog.

tldr:

if you intend to just start working so you have something, chat gpt + editing, then just paste and publish. No need to over complicate things.

If you do not care about quality at all, then google AI content maker plugins and find something you like, they are probably gonna be paid but

will have more structure and you just give them a keyword then go to sleep.

Had an interesting conversation with someone today.

The details are unimportant but they mentioned being jealous of my success and how I never fail.

Sort of shocking to me since I fail all the time, but looking from the outside it might look like I dont.


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Just some words of encouragement to the person reading this that might feel like a failure or wonder why things work out for everyone else.

Even the people you thing are the luckiest can fail a lot. I dont often talk about the things I failed, no one likes to do that.

Sites I fail often just sit around so I never deem them "failed" because I still consider the operation to be in progress.

In reality, they are practically dead projects.

I did many other things on the internet before website building, all of which failed or had limited success.

I dont regret it however because it thought me many different parts of the online world.

We have all seen the person who could start 5 projects at the same time and have each one making more money that your single project

in less than a month.
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Just know that many of the people we envy, are where they are because they just didnt give up.

Even if website building end up being something you cant get into and stay consistent, keep trying to find your spot in the world.

Thank you so much for sharing your journey, this is so inspiring for me, I've also started new site with multi niche. I take help of AI to create articles but I write it myself, I post 7-8 articles Daily, hope it goes good.
I've also posted a journey thread here and I'll keep on updating it.

Good luck for your sites wish you achieve ur goals.

>Use additional headings (text) or just a translation? I dont know what you mean. I have talked about my translations before so the answer might be back ther
Always thought if you just take and translate the same text get sanctions from Google.
It seems hreflang fix this.

nikhil964986 said:

Thank you so much for sharing your journey, this is so inspiring for me, I've also started new site with multi niche. I take help of AI to create articles but I write it myself, I post 7-8 articles Daily, hope it goes good.
I've also posted a journey thread here and I'll keep on updating it.

Good luck for your sites wish you achieve ur goals.

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I wish you luck, I will go look for it.
Thanks for your words of encouragement towards me aswell.

matvik said:

>Use additional headings (text) or just a translation? I dont know what you mean. I have talked about my translations before so the answer might be back ther
Always thought if you just take and translate the same text get sanctions from Google.
It seems hreflang fix this.

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So I think I understand what you are asking now, and if you are asking if I just use my translated headings, then yes, I dont do much of any editing to translated content.

I dont speak the languages personally so I dont edit for them. I just have the pages translated, and leave it like that.
I do use Hreflang to let google know it is translation.



This is how it looks for example.
the urls are basically just the sub folder for the translated page.

just go to websites you know that are translated and see how they have it set up.

you can borrow whatever you think they do that is a good idea.

My website get approved today: Ouraah! (Now waiting for Ezoic)

Wich plugin do U use for displaying ads on you're wordress website ? I tried wordpress adsense plugin but it look like complicated to integrate AMP page with ads.

97tech said:

My website get approved today: Ouraah! (Now waiting for Ezoic)

Wich plugin do U use for displaying ads on you're wordress website ? I tried wordpress adsense plugin but it look like complicated to integrate AMP page with ads.

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first of all, CONGRATZ

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Since im using ezoic it is basically just the ezoic plugin, You will need to go on your page while logged out once they set you up and add placeholders (this is easyier than it sounds) and then it will automatically populate them for every other page on your site.

They also have their newer thing that helps make it more automatic but ive never used it since my ads were already set up how I wanted them.

It has been a while since I ever used straight adsense, and tbh I cant remember ever really using a plugin for it, besides for just pasting the code on my page and letting google figure out where ads go.

Any chance you could let me know which other language it was that you had an EPMV of $7.39 with in the screenshot (here or via a personal message)?

Is 2 pageviews per visit a reasonable approximation in your case? So the RPM would be roughly half the EPMV? Would love to know simply because I experimented with translation into various languages a bit myself and will do so again the next weeks. Often had an AdSense RPM of only $1 or $2 in many languages, though, for a certain subject area. Wasn't much better with Ezoic back then, as far as I remember, but I only used Ezoic briefly just because of how sketchy their entire setup / company seemed.

Do you mind to share your prompt to generate article?

duduxkedux said:

Do you mind to share your prompt to generate article?

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hahahahahhahaha

Tremendous writing. Best wishes for you.

Could you possibly share how to set this system up to create and auto post to wordpress? What software do you use ect?