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My first PBN

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by calvinlj, Mar 28, 2016.

  1. calvinlj

    calvinlj Newbie

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    Hiya guys I've been doing allot of research on PBNs for the last couple of months and i finally bit the bullet and started ordering it all. My niche is hiring equipment such as bouncy castles, rodeo bulls etc... a full legitimate business, I've got nothing to hide about my niche. I will be targeting towns and citys near my area. here are some of the stats for my domain.

    PA: 30
    DA: 16
    CF: 22
    TF: 17

    How are these stats? I've already bought the domain, hosting with word press and i am trying to minimize my footprints as much as i can for example, using different names and blocking who is etc.. I know times have changed and i want to know from the lads at BHW, how many posts should i have per PBN? how many words? how many links to a post? what should the anchor text consist of other than your key words?

    Cheers!

    Calvin



     
  2. alcr33k

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    The stats are nice but what really matters in a PBN domain is the links to it. If the domain got it's trust flow from crappy comment links, it is way less valuable than if you have contextual links to it from high authority sites. Also make sure your PBN domain has good history (check with waybackmachine so it has not previously been used for link abuse), A rule to go by when creating a PBN is to be random, use private whois on some domains, fake whois on other, do not have the same amount of posts, not same host, not same registrar, not same plugins on every site etc.

    I usually have at least 5 unique posts on every PBN site but you want to mix it up, some of my PBN sites have nearly 10 posts and some have 3 or even less than 3 posts. The posts should be quality posts, so you probably need around 400+ words. But mix it up, some post can be short, some can even be 1000+ word posts.

    Anchors: besides main keyword, use LSI keywords (search for it if you don't know what that is). If you have a good link profile with many other links that have general anchors, brand anchors and naked anchors so it is a nice mix, you can focus the PBN anchors on LSI and main keyword. You will then still have good anchor diversity and at the same time have the most powerful links on your keywords. If you do not have already a nice anchor profile you will need to create less expensive links with other anchors so not all anchors are about your keyword.

    Lastly, unless your niche is really easy, only one PBN site will probably not be enough to rank so be prepared to find more PBN:s and work more.
     
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  3. tiiberius

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    Congrats on making this move!

    I bet you'll make your investment back many times over.

    As for stats... they are nice. If the backlinks behind the domain are really there you got yourself a nice PR 2-ish website (if PR was still being updated)

    A quick tip from PBN link vendor...

    Never trust the tools completely and go manual...

    Backlink checking tools are much harder to fool when checking Tier 1 aka links pointing to your PBN site. Much harder than when checking root itself.

    Also, look at the things like:

    a) Is the link sitting on inner page or homepage - homepage links are the most powerful ones but they also get removed quickly because owner updates them often and deletes broken links (links to your PBN site). So go for powerful inner pages ragther than homepages

    b) How many other links are sitting on the page? 200+ is diluting the PR too much

    c) How this link probably created by other SEO (aka can I easily create it)? If so it's value is lower.

    - You want your site to have links that are earned not built.

    d) Is the page link is sitting on still indexed? - Backlink checkers might have found it and list it because link is still there... but is Google actually still counting it?


    As for maintaining PBN...

    1) Don't include links to your money site in every post and definitely not in the very first one (unless it's a static website)

    2) I have my VA create 1-2 non-linking posts a week

    3) I never link to my money sites more than 2 times per post

    4) PBN is best to use for your strongest anchor texts however you have to mix it up. It's one of the footprints Google is after: keyword rich anchors. That's what's giving PBN's away these days. Link out to other random related sites (not your competitors) with different anchors. Highlight random text on the page and link to them.

    5) Include naked URL to your money site as well. To mix it up you can actually link to the same URL with 2 anchor texts. Your primary one should go first because that's what Google will see first, followed by naked URL.

    6) I always try to keep OBL (outbound link count) below 19 to maximize the juice. That's for my service mostly. However, sometimes I dedicate whole site to just one 1-2 links. I notcied serious link juie drops after 30 links btw.

    7) I'm using 1:1 spun content on my PBNs. It means I take one original article and spin it. Then I use one spun version of that article on one PBN site only. This type of content is decently readable and 100% original. You can get also content written but that's unnecessary expense imo.

    8) Length varies. 0-1500 really. I know it's popular to say to use at least 500 words of laser targeted content and bla bla... it's up to you really. The key here (like everywhere when it comes to PBNs) is randomness. For example I have some PBN sites setup as portfolios with only images on the homepage. Some of those images link to money sites. Others are setup as bookmarking sites where the link is the title of the "post" and only small description below it.

    There are 2 most important things when it comes to ranking with PBNs. 1) Power fo the PBN 2) anchor text choice. Everything else is secondary.

    (if you choose to use images - alt tag is the anchor text)
     
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  4. calvinlj

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    thanks for the tips guys, have you got any recommended themes when it comes to word press? i want to make the PBN to look as real as i can get it. My niche is really easy, but i have 2 companies so i must work twice as hard! what should a PBN home page look like? would a selection of blog posts be okay to use?

    edit: also the PBN domain has the word hire in it so it is pretty relevant :) the backlinks are natural around 3 BL's and I've checked the time machine and it looks like an old company gone bust to be honest so its as clean as it gets i think
     
  5. calvinlj

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    so currently ive sent my PBN in for indexing and i have created my first welcome blog, i am going to leave it a couple of days untill i start linking my money site, meanwhile what would be some good ideas to do while waiting?
     
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    Did you say you registered 1 domain? As in just 1?

    Personally I wouldn't bother linking out for months. What I do is register the domain. I try to get 3-5 articles done to start with. I don't focus on much else then I go find another domain to register. I do the same thing. Then register another domain.

    Then after a few days I go back to domain 1. I give it a logo, graphics, form, I basically commercialize & brand the site so it looks like a real business. Then I do graphics on site 2. Site 3, etc.

    During this process I use Dragon Naturally Speaking to quickly transcribe quality content. And I format the hell out of my PBN posts. Proper headers, bullets or numbers, bold, italics, good spacing, drop images in, etc. I slowly build each site up with around 10 high quality posts as I continue to slowly add more sites. Then once I get to sites 10, 11, 12, etc.... by now I'm pretty slowly adding content to my oldest sites. Every site is different but sites with more/better links I generally shoot for 20-30+ posts.

    After about 4 months (minimum) I'll start dropping links. And my first link never goes to my target site. I typically link to a noncompetitor who's on page 2-3 of G. I document their rank for w/e anchor text I used. And I'll wait another month or 2 as I just monitor their ranks.

    After this incubation and test period are over.... THEN I start linking to my money site.

    Otherwise if you just register sites, set them up and link out ime it's harder to judge the power of a site. Like you can drop a link today from a newly registered domain then not do any more links to your target site. And slowly over the course of many months as the PBN site gets older you'll see your money site slowly crawl up the SERPS. You might still see the site moving 6 months after you drop a link. It's so slow it's hard to measure the impact with new sites. With slightly aged domains the ranking effect is more prominent and obvious. Like typically in 2 weeks - 2 months I'll see most of my movement. Then rankings stabilize after 2-3 months. It just makes the whole process smoother and I feel like I get more bang for my buck by aging domains.

    I know a lot of guys just register domains and throw up links but I'd never be able to evaluate the strength of a domain doing that. With my aged domains I can tell better which sites pack the most punch. I should also note that my money sites are pretty old. Between 2-4 years. They ranked ok before I built my PBN. But they're killing it right now and I like to know that all the work, links, everything was done slow and natural as possible.

    Also, as I was building my PBN just because I was waiting I had time to work on other stuff. And before I started my PBN I had manually registered and built a bunch of thin, but HQ web2.0. Like the content was great they just didn't have a lot of it. So I worked on those too. I used a lot of exact and partial match names when registering them. I did the content just as good as my PBN which took longer cause my web2.0 network is about twice as big. As they aged I'd drop a few links from my own PBN. Then I ordered small batches of PBN posts from here and spread them out. A few GSA links just to diversify.

    So now I have 2 networks that are bigger than I can use. It's a great feeling as all those unused sites are just aging like wine. The sites I am using still have really low OBL. I don't think I've even used 30% of what my networks capable of. So if you can afford it, it's great to have more sites than you currently need. Simply for the age factor. That way I'm not dropping a bunch of brand new links from brand new domains. Some sites are 14 months old, others are 9 months, 6 months, etc. Rankings are stable. They don't dance around. The sites perform extremely well.

    TLDR: If all you have right now is 1 domain you need to get at least 9 more, develop them, then don't touch them and add another 10 sites. I see too many guys on here who register brand new domains, link out, then come on here bitching about ranking. Saying how their PBN doesn't work cause they're stupid, impatient & have no idea how to build something worth investing in long term that will pay back 1000 fold if you simply do it right from the start.

    ps. I know this violates basic PBN principals, but I WILL outlink on certain PBN sites to the same money site 10-15+ times from different pages over a period of time. Other sites I may outlink to the same site once, sometimes 4-5 times. It's random. But the reason I do this is cause in the real world sites naturally link out to other sites they like more than once. I also know plenty of sites using PBNs who do this. Their sites have been ranking for years and years and it also looks more natural when done right.
     
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  7. kriwil

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    The stats is look good!
    Check History of current domain (dropped, already used for PBN etc)
    Check The profile links ( spam link etc)

    You need more PBN to get better result
     
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    Why do I get the feeling that I have seen the exact same thread before also :D
     
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    Install your blogging platform, then add a theme and plugins finally add content. Your content must contains 300-600 words in length, must contains image, video and other visual reference, quote facts and figures, add authority outbound links to your articles
     
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    Also a great way to dilute anchor text ratios. Something often overlooked too is that only the first anchor text linking to a page is regarded by G, i.e linking 3 times from the same page with different anchor text, may see the latter 2 links disregarded.
     
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    Stats are nice, but stats themselves mean nothing. Only backlinks matter.
     
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    thank you for the tips guys, I will take everything you guys said into consideration. At the moment I am making my PBN look as natural I can get it, create social media links such as facebook google + make it look like a legitimate business! I understand this is going to be a long hard challenge, who doesn't like that?? I am going to be creating blogs posts ready for my pbns now and just wait and wait.
     
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    when i complete a first blog, do i sent it off for indexing after that?
     
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    First, about the domain stats:
    Those are only pointers and do look okay, however, ref domains - any authority links in those? What kind of links are they - comments?contextual? blogroll?

    I usually do 4-5 posts, than one every 3-4 weeks.

    400-700.

    0-2 per post, not counting regular authority sources.

    I mostly link with partial matches, and make sure my keyword is mentioned nearby, also generic keywords.
     
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    thanks for the valuable information dude
     
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    are we voting for best thread of 2016 yet?
     
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    One advice, check enough to see the quality of the backlinks to the domain.