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Most important metric for PBN

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by TurboCharge, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. TurboCharge

    TurboCharge Registered Member

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    What metric is the most important when it comes to selecting expired domains to build out your PBN? Or just create a brand new moneysite for that matter? Do you guys value TF more than say Domain Authority? And what do you guys think about Ahref's brand new "Domain Rating" metric?

    These values often times are in conflict I have found. Some sites will have a high TF and a really low Domain Rating value. I've learned to trust Domain Rating a lot lately, but I still hear a lot about Trust Flow. So when you have two conflicting values, say a high TF and a really low DR, what metric do you choose to go by? Do you trust Ahref's DR or do you buy the domain based on Majestic's TF?

    Would love some insight as to what metric you guys value the most. I have no idea what to base my purchases on nowadays. It used to be strictly TF, but I found it to be quite shaky.

    Now I use DR, which puts my entire PBN in peril. DR checks a domain's backlinks, and then the DR of those backlinks, and does this work for you. So DR is quite good for a backlink check, but I still hear a lot about TF. So what to value the most?
     
  2. ToughSeoX

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    See, Having good backlinks profile of the expired domain is essential.
    Afterwards TF and DA.
     
  3. TurboCharge

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    You don't take DR [Ahrefs Domain Rating] into consideration?
     
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    No. for me backlinks profile comes first then TF and DA.
    Of-couse you have to check the domain if its spam free or not.
     
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    Backlinks are the most important factor, obviously. However when you need to filter 10k domains you need to use some 3rd party metrics in order to sort them out. I personally prefer Ahrefs DR as is simply measuring the strength of the links - no bullshit "relation of this website to all other websites" that Majestic claims. Also Ahrefs index is far, far better than Majestic/Moz one which makes their DR more reliable in my opinion. So for expired domains I am looking usually for 5+ DR, for auctioned 10+ DR and for outreach 20+ DR. But that's just for initial filtering - even if the domain have 0 DR/TF/DA - if the links are good, ill take it.
     
  6. TurboCharge

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    DR is meant to be an audit on your backlinks, though. Is there a reason you don't take it into account? It's supposed to work by ranking your website based on its backlinks, and the backlinks are ranked based on their backlinks, so it's meant to do be a metric that does this important backlink audit for you. This is why I'm confused if I should value it the most, because backlinks are key, and this is supposedly Ahrefs answer to this important metric, or if I should disregard it and value the traditional metrics instead
     
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    I was in this mindset as well. So DR is king, TF/DA secondary when choosing the domains? Obviously if you can do the job yourself, that's always ideal, but it's time consuming and relying on metrics saves a lot of time
     
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    I usually use TF as a starting point to filter through thousands of domains (don't use Ahrefs yet, but going to switch to them soon).
    After the usual anchors/spam/wayback checks then I look at the strongest 1-3 links pointing to the domain. If they look like they'll be deleted soon, or if they're on a page with 100's of other links then I usually pass. It's mostly a subjective thing depending on the importance of the money site.
     
  9. AngelSeo

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    Yep, I did not even check the TF or DA usually. Sort by DR -> 5+ then Wayback, then Anchors and Baclinks. Usually using Majestic just to see if they pick up some extra backlinks and anchors.
     
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    Ahrefs DR is easy to be manipulated(this is my opinion). In my niche domains with low DR have better results than domain with high DR. Check backlinks, after choose some domain with high DR/UR. @Nargil has good examples/posts in older threads for metrics.
     
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    Backlink profile examination is always the best; you can start by filtering out the lowest DR / TF or whatever you prefer, but then it's all about how good are the backlinks.


    Whats a good backlink:
    - Natural (of course)
    - Authoritative site
    - Not so deep in that site
    - Crawlable
    - not so much OBL on this page.
     
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    I do check back links first and TF , I don't trust domain authority is because it can be easily manipulated with mass spam.

    The trust flow will usually determine whether or not the backlinks to the domain are good or not.
     
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    Assuming a clean domain, the most important factor is RD. Next would be TF, but TF can be manipulated and/or misleading. RDs are king.
     
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    * Google Indexed History
    * Back Links History
    * Then TF
     
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    which DA is good for you?
     
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    Make sure they have a clean link profile, avoid PBN with spammy and toxic backlinks.
     
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    When you have to filter out 10k of domains what kind of metrics you use the most? DA DR or TF?

    And which metric should they have to let them be considered as ''good'' from you?
     
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    If a Expired domain has good backlink profile. DA would be Atleast 15. as per what I scrape on daily basis.
    tf/da 15+ with a good backlink profile is what I recommend !
     
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    If we are talking purely about metrics, then always RD. That's a primary factor. Both TF and DR are decent secondary factors and you really do not need anything besides that. Especially not Moz with their crawlers.
     
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    You should never use Moz for figuring out if your domain is good or not. You may check backlinks that they provide.. but that's about it. We use Ahrefs and Majestic metrics (Majestic is not as valuable as Ahrefs), but the thing is.. as long as your domain has nice and clean backlink profile, you will be all good.