[Method] Sudo's Churn & Burn For Lead Generation

Pretty slick tutorial, thanks for sharing.
 
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Hi Everyone!

I only just got up and saw quite a few questions. I'll get onto answering them in a bit. :cool:

Time for a coffee and a ciggarette first though!
 
sudorank said:
Hi Everyone!

I only just got up and saw quite a few questions. I'll get onto answering them in a bit. :cool:

Time for a coffee and a ciggarette first though!
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Good morning :D

Thanks for the awesome method! Don't worry about it being killed or trashed. Only a small 1% will actually execute this plan.

People like me like to read and might implement an aspect of this into our own blueprints. So thanks again!
 
sudorank said:
Ye totally, keep the anchors nice and low. I don't go above 10% and even that I consider high these days!
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I know this is slightly off topic, but this got me interested.
Would you mind elaborating this a little more?

By 10% exact match, I guess you're talking about 10% of your main money KW, right? What would you suggest for the other 90%? I assume a lot of naked URLs and generic anchor texts, right? But still, those 2 don't account for 90%, do they? Do you use brand anchors, LSIs, partial match, etc., too?

sudorank said:
Build the links as fast as you can, and don't stop at 250,000 either just throw everything you can at it!

I couldn't care less about platforms, I click the lot and crank my VPS's and PC's in the house up to 10!

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How important is the speed of the links being build in your opinion? I'm just asking, because some of us (like me) are on a limited budget and only have a small VPS and few proxies.
 
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Good method. I've been doing this a lot with different twists. But like I've read from others also, latest updates have been making this less effective and it's not as easy to rank as it used to be. Not Panda update really, I believe it was Payday Loan 2.0 update which affected this method a lot. Have you noticed?
 
Hmm.. seems like an interesting method. Ill have to give this a try.
 
Great method OP!
2 questions about Domain B aged with high pr

1. should i pick up a domain with high PA/DA and link profile,
or it doesn't matter as long as PR is not fake?
2. what about a name of the domain, should it be related to our niche?
 
Seems like a solid method. I'm curious if you do any other projects besides churn & burn stuff or if this is your main thing? Mostly asking because I've tried similar short term methods before and always found that I got bored of them real quick, even if they were profitable. I suppose that's when it's time to outsource, but that comes with its own set of problems...
 
BreaknBrix said:
Nice thread. But personally speaking, I would never do churn and burn for a lead gen site.

I build out huge sites, 300-500 pages big. I fill them with tons of deeply spun, geotargeted content and silo everything neatly.

Then I slowly drip feed network links and usually within 2-3 months they will hit #1.

The one thing I have found from my testing... it is VERY DIFFICULT to hit the #1 spot with a thin site. I've used new domains, aged domains, and I have GSA
on a dedi server churning out 1-3 million links a day. Like your own case study, you didn't even hit the top 3. No offense, but that's where all the action is at. And
if you're going to put the work in.... you might as well do it proper.

You basically cracked #4 just to bounce back to #8. And I don't mean to sound cocky, but I don't see you cracking the top 3 no matter how many crap links
you spam.

I have sites ranking #1 some for 16 months now. The leads just flow in. No headaches. No redirecting. None of the bs.

I forward all the leads to a broker and we collect commissions on sold jobs. If a job sells for $25,000, we get 6-14% depending on the margins.

Also, I'm a bit lost at you're whole redirecting strategy. If you keep redirecting sites the penalty is just going to follow you. It's inescapable and not worth the time.

My only point is, if you really want to make it big in lead gen, do it proper.

Do big sites like the big boys. Use network links and hide those bitches from your competitors. This way your sites last years and years.



Actually, nevermind. I feel like I'm comparing e-penis's here and don't want to take away from the OP's thread.

I'm going to do my own write up on this topic in a couple of days. :)
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We would love to get back to the old BHW, where you get powerful tutorials!! Can't wait for your thread.
 
is this also effective if domain c or b is not old like 1-2 year old only but high pr like pr2-3?
 
i'm glad this works for you, but this seems a bit overkill to me..

first off, the structure:

spam -> domain c -> domain b -> $ site

i suppose the purpose of this is like a "PR laundering" filter? i always thought that redirects do filter link juice by default. maybe you've tested this against the new update, where we now need to filter through 2 redirects? please elaborate.

and do you point domain b to a random site like wikipedia? i get how domain c won't be indexed because it's 301'd to domain b. but now domain b is "naked" so to speak and vulnerable to being indexed. unless you 301 it to youtube/wikipedia/*insert random authority site* before you redirect it to $site. or maybe you 301 the whole lot right from the start?

i have quite a few twists in mind depending on your feedback re the 301s acting as filters. if 2 301s=link juice purifier, we're in for a world of rank n bank.

anyway thanks for posting this up. i love case studies!
 
BreaknBrix said:
Nice thread. But personally speaking, I would never do churn and burn for a lead gen site.

I build out huge sites, 300-500 pages big. I fill them with tons of deeply spun, geotargeted content and silo everything neatly.

Then I slowly drip feed network links and usually within 2-3 months they will hit #1.

The one thing I have found from my testing... it is VERY DIFFICULT to hit the #1 spot with a thin site. I've used new domains, aged domains, and I have GSA
on a dedi server churning out 1-3 million links a day. Like your own case study, you didn't even hit the top 3. No offense, but that's where all the action is at. And
if you're going to put the work in.... you might as well do it proper.

You basically cracked #4 just to bounce back to #8. And I don't mean to sound cocky, but I don't see you cracking the top 3 no matter how many crap links
you spam.

I have sites ranking #1 some for 16 months now. The leads just flow in. No headaches. No redirecting. None of the bs.

I forward all the leads to a broker and we collect commissions on sold jobs. If a job sells for $25,000, we get 6-14% depending on the margins.

Also, I'm a bit lost at you're whole redirecting strategy. If you keep redirecting sites the penalty is just going to follow you. It's inescapable and not worth the time.

My only point is, if you really want to make it big in lead gen, do it proper.

Do big sites like the big boys. Use network links and hide those bitches from your competitors. This way your sites last years and years.



Actually, nevermind. I feel like I'm comparing e-penis's here and don't want to take away from the OP's thread.

I'm going to do my own write up on this topic in a couple of days. :)
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I've just bookmarked your profile.
Will be waiting for your thread.
 
7yearitch said:
i'm glad this works for you, but this seems a bit overkill to me..

first off, the structure:

spam -> domain c -> domain b -> $ site

i suppose the purpose of this is like a "PR laundering" filter? i always thought that redirects do filter link juice by default. maybe you've tested this against the new update, where we now need to filter through 2 redirects? please elaborate.

and do you point domain b to a random site like wikipedia? i get how domain c won't be indexed because it's 301'd to domain b. but now domain b is "naked" so to speak and vulnerable to being indexed. unless you 301 it to youtube/wikipedia/*insert random authority site* before you redirect it to $site. or maybe you 301 the whole lot right from the start?

i have quite a few twists in mind depending on your feedback re the 301s acting as filters. if 2 301s=link juice purifier, we're in for a world of rank n bank.

anyway thanks for posting this up. i love case studies!
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Domain B is restricted from the robots.txt :
  • Put this domain within it's own hosting account.
  • Add a robots.txt file.
  • Disallow everything.
  • Wait till the domain is completely deranked on Google.
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Absynth said:
Feels like 2011 again! Great share OP. Can't believe the 301 is still effective. From your experience, is it just the homepage of the money site that ranks? How do the other pages do?
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I only ever build small sites for this and gun for 1 killer keyword.

It's not worth building huge sites and long tail for this IMHO :cool:
 
Why two domains with 301 redirect? Is it not enough only domain A and domain B, and then blast domain B?
 
I think in case something goes wrong you can remove the non valued domain and purchase a new one and still keep the old high pr domain.
 
SeoQuest said:
Why two domains with 301 redirect? Is it not enough only domain A and domain B, and then blast domain B?
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I believe the idea of using Domain C is a safety measure. I think it safeguards against domain B getting exposed and then you have to keep buying aged, authoritative domains. Just any old brand new domain.
 
This actually works with other monetary sources. I used a redirect with alot of blog comments and social signals. Mine went: Domain B -> Domain A.

I built a variety of links to Domain A and ranked it within <page50 then redirected Domain B and kept building comments and social signals.

It went and stayed on #1 position for about a month then dropped to number 81.

I am going to give your method a try. I have Domain A ready and Domain C already. Just have to find a well back-linked Domain B.

Thanks.
 
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