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[METHOD] How To Get an EIN Number (Tax ID) For NON USA Members

Discussion in 'Business & Tax Advice' started by nihalsad, Nov 27, 2016.

  1. nihalsad

    nihalsad Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    When working with different companies in the US a lot times you will be asked for you Tax ID where you can use your EIN number. A lot of people who are outside of US were concerned about this in my my Shopify thread so here is how to get yours but this method will work for anyone who needs an EIN number. Here is a step by step guide on how you can get yours.

    For NON-US people, a TIN may be an EIN (for individuals and businesses) or an ITIN (for individuals only).

    An EIN may be obtained by filing IRS Form SS-4, (Application for Employer Identification Number).
    The application may be completed over the telephone by calling 001-267-941-1099 or by fax ( approximately 4 business days) and by mail (approximately 4 weeks).

    Before you call IRS, make sure you have all the preparation you need:
    Have a pen and paper
    Filled SS4 form
    All the info and correctly spelled:
    Your sole proprietor business /your full name
    Your Tax File Number
    Your full address,
    Your city
    Your postal code
    Your country

    Make sure if you have “-“ , “/” to spell it correctly

    Questions on the call:
    Do you have a fax machine?
    Where are you calling from?
    What is your name, business name, mailing address?
    Where is your business based?
    What is the nature of your business?
    Have you applied for an EIN before?
    Do you have an ITIN?
    Will you be using any US employees in the next 12 months?

    STEP-BY-STEP

    1. Download SS4 from the IRS website:-
    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fss4.pdf

    2. Download instructions on how to fill in SS4 from the IRS website:-
    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iss4.pdf

    3. Read the instructions carefully and fill in the SS4 form

    4. Phone the IRS (Department for international issues) on this number 00 - 1-267-941-1099
    Write down the name of the IRS person
    Example call:
    Hi I am calling from ……
    I am ….. and I am the sole proprietor of my own business.
    I am an entrepreneur – I am using Shopify to sell my products online
    I would like to ask if I can get an EIN number for work done in the USA
    which is also required by Shopify. I have no fax machine so I would like
    to make the application by phone.


    5. Go through the SS4 form with the IRS person
    After filling the SS4 form, the IRS person will give you a 9 digit EIN number.
    Make sure you WRITE IT DOWN!
    The paperwork with your EIN NUMBER will arrive in about one month later.
    See if everything is OK with the papers and if not you have an option to correct and send them back to IRS for correction.

    6. Make copies of your SS4 and EIN paperwork to keep for your records.

    7. Use the EIN number where ever you may need it.
     
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    nahid133 Senior Member

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    You are on fire today :) Thanks for the share
     
  3. Absol

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    took me two minutes filling out a form online to get mine, then had it instantly
     
  4. DrJnr

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    Really? Where are you from? I assume they don't do this for everyone.
     
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    please any trick to sign up for paypal am from a banned country for paypal. want to get about 50%-70% verification level. I mean a u.s.a one. maybe if am referred to a guide here I will appreciate. dont want to use card for now.
     
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    Assuming this works, could be so. Do you think this will work to open a US bank account? or is this for PayPal purpose only?
     
  7. batiatus

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    EIN and SSN are same thing or not? I got SSN but have no EIN.
     
  8. pipi13

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    You'll need an SSN number for US bank accounts.
     
  9. nihalsad

    nihalsad Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I am not sure about Paypal as I haven't tried to verify a Paypal with my EIN. Anyways your best bet would be to get a stealth Paypal.

    As far as I know you can open a US bank account with your EIN but you will need to be physically present in US.

    Both are different.

    EIN works too but other documents will be needed as well.
     
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    Where do I get a tax file number from?
     
  11. toml3030

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    The government. The person applying has to have a valid SS#, ITIN, or EIN then they'll give you one.
     
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    aa33030 Regular Member

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    The op's thread is contradictory
    Op explains how a non US person can get an EIN but then you say the person appling has to have a valid SS#, ITIN or EIN.

    If a non US person already has a valid SS#, ITIN or EIN in the first place then it should be no problem for them getting an EIN
     
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    No.

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  14. nihalsad

    nihalsad Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Your local tax file number as in from your country of origin.

    Look above man. It was someone else who suggested that, not me. You do NOT need an SSN.
     
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    Look above man. It was someone else who suggested that, not me. You do NOT need an SSN.[/QUOTE]

    There must be one responsible party who has to provide SSN, ITIN, or EIN on SS4. Line 7a = Name of the responsible party Line 7b = SSN, ITIN, or SSN of the responsible party.
     
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    Great info!! One question, if I apply as a foreign person, do I have to pay taxes in the US or make income declarations each year?
    Thanks
     
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    Yes, because Paypal will send what is called a form 1099 which lists how much money was sent to you to both you and the government and the government will match 1099 sent to them with filed income tax forms.
     
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    "Since 2011, PayPal has been required by the IRS to report the sales of goods and services for customers who, in a single year receive:

    • More than $20,000 USD, AND
    • 200 or more payments.
    The new IRS 6050W changes apply to all payment providers, including PayPal. This includes payments received after January 1, 2011, with the first reports sent to the IRS in early 2012.

    You can find more information and FAQs about the new IRS 6050W requirements on the (Cant post links Paypals IRS section)"
     
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    Thanks for the answers, but living in a foreign country makes a difference? Because we are suppose to pay taxes in place where we live...
     
  20. johnpaul2k2

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    hello
    thank for the this wonderful tutorial, please where exactly should i include the number in the tax form?