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Media Buying Hurdles - Guidance Needed

Discussion in 'Media Buying' started by masta2133, Mar 28, 2016.

  1. masta2133

    masta2133 Registered Member

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    Hello everyone this is my first post in here.

    I have started mediabuying 1.5 months ago and I did the following.
    Got a VPS - OVH Hosting 4 Cores.
    Got a SpyTool AdPlexity.
    Ripped a couple of landing pages and tested them. Got first conversions

    Offers I tried. I am with MundoMedia and ClickDealer and MPire Networks.

    1) Promoted though PopAds and Popcash an australian Sweepstake Offer (Win an iPhone 6S kind of offer). Rotated 3 offers with 5 landers. Selected the best offer and lander. Started at -50%, was able to make it to +40% then traffic just died. I tried raising the CPM to almost $15 but still was not able to get traffic. I was able to do during 5 days something like $8-$10 / day. It was a breakthrough as this was my very first camp. Error made during this campaign. I did not try any angle. I just used completly different landing pages such as FB style, roulette, Google Style, Apple iTunes, Quizz etc.... Spent $300, got back $180.

    2) Read on STM (I was a member there for 1 month) about how you need to test lots of camps to find a winner so I started to test new offers like crazy. Tested adult dating in France, got 3 conversions, payout $3.5 / Spent $45. Tested Antivirus pin submit in Portugal got 1 conversion, Payout $8/ Spent $30. Tested CM Browser in several tier 3 geos, got 0 conversions, payout $0.40. Tested WhatsApp Wallpapers in Mexico, got 3 conversions, payout $3.2, spent $35.
    . Tested a few other app installs and games that didn't provide any potential, all gave me 0 conversions. Then, I just didn't know what to do. Since most of these offers got conversions and there was no clear winner. I do not expect to be positive right away no, but I was just lost between going with adult dating rather than whatsapp wallpapers as all of these camps showed some potential.

    After feeling that money was lost and that I will have to find another camp to get started, I took a long breath... 2 days off to be exact. I started networking and talking to people that did advise me to go with a tier 3 country that has enough volume and potential. The say to

    3) Talked with my AM and decided to go with an antivirus booster App in Brazil using PopCash and PopAds. CPM Brazil: $1.5. The payout was 0.40. I got it raised to 0.45 after I started bringing in conversions. This camp was amazing. Was able to make it profitable not much $5 per day profits but I almost didn't lose money. I spent like $350 and made $345. Then I started to lose traffic and my whitelist required me to bid higher to be able to get the same traffic. I did use angles during this campaign and was everyday trying a new lander against my winning lander. Positive experience.

    4) As traffic died, I moved to a new offer GS6 Edge in Australia and the USA. CPM US: $4, CPM AUS: $9. The camp was able to be close to breakeven and was even showing some profits from time to time. I did get a refund from the traffic source for about $30, as I was getting some bot traffic from a couple of sites. For the first time, someone copied my landing page and I've got this landing page published in weekly newsletter from my affiliate network. Thank you affiliate network for ripping my lander and letting it available to all! But I know that this is the rule of the game. I have nothing to complain about. Anyways, I am still in the process of finding enough profitable targets to try to make this work. But it looks like that profits won't reach more than 10 or 15 dollars per day at max. I don't know what I am doing wrong. As this is a reccurring problem I have right now.


    My Questions are the following:
    -What traffic sources would you recommend to move on to use the skills learned so far and be able to reach 500, 1k or 10k a day profit? Not shy to move to FB, Adwords or native ads.
    -Would you recommend that I keep using pop traffic and move to other pop traffic sources? I am networking with a few affs and their experience with pop is everything but positive. Many people start camps with over -90% ROI.
    -Another question regarding pop traffic... In order to make these camps super profitable do I need to choose products with higher payouts, use pop unders (I mean pop unders that I generate my self on top of the pop under from the traffic source), collect emails, add offers that pay per click etc....? Looks like just poping a single offer and waiting for a miracle (I do test and try to follow a process though) is not going to bring you so far.
    -Should I direct buy traffic from a publisher? If yes, should I contact these publishers directly? How does it work?
    -Any other advice or guidance that you guys can provide will be welcomed.


    As I want to give back to the community, here is what I've learnt so far:
    -Never listen too much to people but test.
    -Put yourself in your users shoes.
    -Scrutinize traffic and try to spot the best targets fast enough or you will be experiencing -90% ROI in most cases.
    -Do not just listen blindly to Aff network managers and the offers they try to push to you. Sometimes they just need traffic to these offers.
    -Do not copy blindly, try to add a twist to your landing pages. Try something different and test it against a proven landing page.
    -Do not quit. Right now, I have a good understanding of Popcash only because I tried to stay away from any new shiny object, learning the ropes of pop traffic.

    Thanks, I hope I didn't make it too long and surely I forgot lots of details. Just ask me and I will reply to anyone in here.
     
  2. masta2133

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    Maybe, I should move this thread to CPA section? Any admin to advise? I am not getting any answers here. Thanks
     
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    Bumping this post.... Anyone? 228 views and no comment?