Machinima's Partner Policy :) You're a bound slave.

It's not nearly as simple as you think. Ultimately it really depends on the judge.

"If you signify your name to a contract, either in writing or electronically which says it is legally binding on both parties involved, then it carries the weight of a contract enforcable in a court of law."

If this was this simple millions of contract lawyers would be unemployed. What's "enforceable in a court of law" is a difficult question. If you and I sign a contract that allows me to punch you in the face if I give you $1000, if we go to court (let's say you reneged on our deal for some odd reason), a judge is not going to make you take a punch from me, regardless whether you just pushed an "I agree" button on the Internet or we signed an actual physical contract.

The same way, if we signed a contract where I pay you $1,000,000 now and you promise me your first born in exchange, it doesn't matter how many contracts we sign, I'm not getting a new baby out of the deal.

I realize you may think these are ridiculous examples, but it helps to look at extremes to see an issue clearly sometimes. The point I'm trying to make is contract law is not black and white as "we signed a contract, therefore anything written in it is legally binding".

The judge looks at a lot of issues when rendering a decision. A physical paper contract signed by two corporations with several lawyers examining and reviewing the whole thing on both sides is a completely different animal from little "Jake" clicking an "I agree" button to an EULA or TOS with Machinima (we don't even know whether Jake was still a minor when he agreed to it, in which case the whole argument is moot since you can't enter into a contract with minors).

The judge will look at the capacity of both parties for understanding the ramifications of the agreement, how clear important clauses are stated (if a key issue is in small print on page 8 of 10 page contract it's much different than if it's in bold print on page 1). He will also look at how unusual the terms are, most EULA's and TOS are fairly similar, if something is unusual and is not spelled out explicitly on page 1 it is likely to get tossed.

On top of this we have a compounding issue of a "perpetuity" clause. Now, the only times I have encountered the issue of perpetuity is in estate trusts, where you are dealing with wills and inheritances, where most states actually limit the length of a will to 21 years after death (most states you cannot put into a will how you want your assets divided beyond 21 years after your death).

The other times I have encountered perpetuity is in contracts where you are agreeing NOT to do something, such a release and discharge from liability, damages, lawsuits or public complaint, etc.

I have NEVER heard of a contract which has been upheld in court where someone agreed to do something for the rest of their life, without any exit clauses, such as agreeing to release any new videos under Machinima's terms.

If I was a betting man I would bet any amount of money that Machinima will never take this to court, because they know 1) they would never win and 2) it would be a HUGE PR blow to their image.

All this is a scare tactic to scare some kids from reneging from their agreement.

Having said all this, you should ALWAYS read any contracts you sign :)


Whether you "buy it" or not is frankly irrelevant. If you signify your name to a contract, either in writing or electronically which says it is legally binding on both parties involved, then it carries the weight of a contract enforcable in a court of law. I'm sure if you bothered to take the time to look up the case law you would see that I'm right. Sure, you can breach the contract if like, and you may get away with it scot free; but you had better be ready to fight your position in court and have the contract (or unfair terms thereof) legally voided in the prescribed manner.

Please tell me how you think contract law "works"...?

~|ChaRoN|~
 
Thanks for such a comprehensive reply demongerbil, I fully understand the points you are making, and the logic behind them, and you are absolutely right. If we signed a contract, which allowed you to punch me in the face it would be unenforcable. I would renage and seek to have it anulled on grounds of illegality, or possibly unconscionability if that was the only term in the contract.

I know contract law is very broad and complex field of law, and that my post was a gross oversimplification, but assuming the contract you sign isn't unfair to any of the parties, they both have the capacity to understand the contract, and doesn't contain anything illegal then the contract will remain enforcable, and ultimately it is the responsibility of a court to enforce it or declare it unenforcable, noone else can do that. This is the kind of contract to which I was referring. (Not the case with this contract, as the terms are clearly unfair, and I'm sure a judge would agree).

Most contracts have a clause saying that "If any of these terms are found to be unreasonable/unenforcable the remainder of the contract will be enforcable", so even if part, or even the majority of a contract is found to be unreasonable, then the contract would still remain in force, excluding those parts.

Most of this Machinuma contract would probably be enforcable except the perpetuity clause, but of course since I've not read it I don't know.

Being a mere layman, I can only give my understanding of the law as I see it, I am neither a lawyer nor a judge, but I do posess some degree of reason, which ultimately is the only test in law.

~|ChaRoN|~
 
Fair enough, ChaRoN.StYx.

Not a lawyer either, just speaking from what I know. Have some experience with contracts and have several friends from college who are now corp lawyers who I harass for free legal advice any chance I get :)
 
Fair enough, ChaRoN.StYx.

Not a lawyer either, just speaking from what I know. Have some experience with contracts and have several friends from college who are now corp lawyers who I harass for free legal advice any chance I get :)

hehe, I wish I had some friends like that, don't know anyone in the legal field...I just go by what I think would be logical and reasonable.

You never know, I could start harrasing you the next time i have some contract problems :D jk

~|ChaRoN|~
 
It's true that he should have watched what he signed more carefully, but what can ya do now??...
Get the public opinion to support him if he wants to have a chance.

Good share IzSpk
 
That really sucks.... especially since it looks that Machinama & Youtube are doing everything to keep this covered up!

On the other hand I can understand this a bit. They invest a lot of money and resources in their community and it would suck for them if everyone just could join their network, use their resources to grow their channel and then just leave to continue on their own. This way Machinama could never benefit from their community and would quickly stop existing.

Then again, you should always read any contract you sign or at least let someone else who has your best interest read it thoroughly. I bet if Machinima really wants you, you could negotiate a better contract!
 
Thats Why Its Called A "CON"Tract. It Means That Your Getting CONNED and Exploited
 
I have the link just PM me if you want it. I don't want to get in trouble with anyone.
 
I would like to see the machinima contract too, so if someone could PM it to me.
 
I was thinking of the exact same analogy.

Next bot I make I'm going to add in the license that this software is "perpetually binding" to your computer, and that it can never be uninstalled.
HWID Protected bot?
 
Spk can you screenshot me the contract through PM? Looks like it's bad.
 
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