Link Building Difference: SeNuke vs ZennoPoster/Ubot

Colonel Tuxedo said:

I ran into a problem earlier today with captchas for a specific site. I was using DBC. Have you ever noticed an unusually low accuracy rate with DBC in Zenno?

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Try imagetyperz. Anyway this has nothing to do with zenno.

webmadter said:

There's no such thing like "low accuracy rate with DBC in Zenno"

DBC either works either not.
That's it.

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I'm getting around 10% success rate, so I would consider that pretty low. Switched the same template to de-captcher and got around 50% which is still horrible but obviously much better than DBC.

moonlighsunligh said:

Try imagetyperz. Anyway this has nothing to do with zenno.

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Haven't heard of that one, I'll check into it. I didn't think it would have anything to do with Zenno but I'm new to the software so I thought I'd ask. Most people seem to be very happy with their results from DBC so I thought there must be something I was missing. Maybe it's just the particular site I was working on...

Scritty said:

SENuke is a great tool.
If you want to have one page wonders with it..you can. but that's the fault of the USER not the TOOL. It allows you to crearte as big a profile and WEB2 site as you like. If idiots want to create loads of 1 page sites..well that's up to them, there's nothing in the tool to actually STOP you doing that.
Nuke and Demon allow multiple URL sites to be created over time, even add photos and videos without a lot of hassle.

As for Zenno and Ubit.

If you have your own ideas that do not copy what others are doing, then these tools ROCK
If you are going to spend your time creating scripts to do what other well developed and well maintained tools are already doing for a few dozen bucks a month - then your wasting your time.

The guys who make the big tools have to update them in a big way every few weeks to keep up with the changes that occus on the sites they post to. Demon costs $47 monthly and works out a hell of a lot cheaper on the "minimum 2 year" deal (max under $15 per month - probably under $10).

If you value your time (which you should) don't buy Zenno just to copy what is already done - and done very well.
Buy Zenno and Ubot to innovate.

As for tools being a waste of time? I'll say it again, depends how they are used.
You know the truism about the "bad workman..."

Scritty

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Yes, I agree that the whole use of a tool with high adoption rates might defeat the whole purpose since sooner or later big G will find it. So what are the other functionalities you are mentioning? I'm interested in both Z and Ubot but I don't really want to spend my time coding new tools and updating them. So I'm a bit reluctant not only they are a little bit expensive, but also I don't really have much time (I have my day job I need to attend to...), anyway, your thoughts are well appreciated. cheers

It's different tools.

Since I'm huge fan of zennoposter I always say that I don't suggest it for tasks that can be done for 50 bucks a month with other tool (I mean web 2.0)

I use zenno for sites that can't be automated with other tools.
Like google+, Facebook and so on.
You can do magic when you will learn.

You can download new zennoposter mental power free demo:


http://zennolab.com/en/products/zennoposter/download/

Dan Da Man said:

Scritty,

I know you run UD a lot and you seem to be a big advocate of it but why? No offense but UD is limited as you have to babysit the program just like Senuke meaning there is no looping. I guess if you have one site and you want to babysit that one site than sure but as we know you need many many sites in the game of SEO these days.

There is nothing that comes close to Zenno in terms of producing the sheer volume of 2.0s that I need. I can sit all day pressing stop and go for Senuke and come up with 300 links from shitty 2.0s (I don't know how different UD is but I bet it is very similar) or I can create massive tiers by spending 30 minutes setting up my campaigns and also have the ability to do things besides pressing buttons.

You seem to know your shit so I am asking in all honesty why you would use UD

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The devs keep the program up to date. Re-writing scripts for standard sites is a pain in the ass.
I don't sit on either Nuke or UD (though I know you could). I set up a few campaigns and leave them (often for says on end)
UD is missing the tiered linking ability, so I'll be glad when that module is added soon becauce my one bugbear is harvesting succesfully posted URL's and then doing my own tiered linking

UD and Nuke have maybe 100 bespoke platforms one offs like Blogger,Digg or whoever) and about 30 generic platforms (Article base, Pligg and what-not), and the devs do a good job of keeping the sign up and submission of those up to date. Writing my own scripts to do that, or relying on a mix and match of scripts from the Zenno community just isn't something I want to be bothered with.

There's no "stop and go" for UD for me. Just press a button to drip 1000 bookmarks over 5 days, then leave it and set up the next project (to run concurrently) with whatever I want to do.

And just WEB2.0 is old style. My first tiers now have to include a much wider mix than that (the best CMS bookmarking sites, decent follow wikis, video, even some high PR high traffic article sites) just press "copy task" and press go.

Though like I said, I'll be glad when the link structure tool is out, harvesting URL's is a pain in the ass!

Scritty

If you want to create a whole bunch distinct subdomains on different 2.0s then there is not tool that can do this but zenno/ubot. But if you are after creating 10-20 different blogs and 20-30 articles on each then yes senuke can get this done.

Most of set it and forget it tools like Senukex will post an article and that's it.

With tools like ZennoPoster you can create projects for maintaining you private network of blogs and update them.

You use uBot and Zennoposter for the sites that can not be automated via SenukeX,UD, Magic Submitter etc etc.

Delta223 said:

I'm thinking about it. It's not the learning curve I'm afraid of. It's having to create templates for every site I want to build links from, and then update them all myself when the website changes. Seems paying a monthly fee for Magic Submitter makes more sense. Maybe I'm not creative enough to see "all the other sites" that I could benefit from using Zennoposter on.

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You'll get the creativity after using ZP everyday for several months and seeing what is possible. Version 4(MP) is amazing, the sky is truly the limit, but as others have already stated above, focus on using the app for different sites, not just basic web 2.0 links that these other apps are using.

Remember that the big apps have a whole team updating and adding new sites, because it's in their best interest to keep their monthly subscribers happy, unless you have a teem of guys wanting to add and maintain all those sites, use Senuke and others for basic backlinking and ZP for advanced site automation. Also note that Senuke and MS can add other platforms that are similar and program new ones, even though they don't have the full functionality of ZP or Ubot.

Dan Da Man said:

If you want to burn and get nowhere in SEO than I suggest using SEpuke and those other shitty tools. If you really want to play hardball you need to start learning Zenno.

I just took at the sites that SEPuke has and half of the sites have 1 page indexed. 1 freaking page? What the hell is that going to do for anyone?

Senuke is running out of sites to spam as sites are getting harder to automate. They are scrambling to find anything that they can call a web 2.0. Honestly, if your using those tools you might as well just give up before you waste your time.

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This is like watching someone damn his car because there are potholes in the road. SEnuke is just a tool, you can remove all of their crappy built in sites and add in your own. You wouldn't complain that Zennoposter doesn't do anything out of box, so it's silly to dock SEnuke because you didn't make the necessary customizations (that I promise are 100x less time consuming than having to create a new template for each site like you would with Zennoposter).

It's really about time management, if you can efficiently create and maintain ZP templates go for it.

in Ubot and zennoposter You can create nice bots - senuke is ready to linkbuilding but expensive. In zennoposter is special package - zenblog:
http://zennolab.com/discussion/show...automatic-blogs-creator-poster-many-platforms
is cheap and powerfull