Link Building Difference: SeNuke vs ZennoPoster/Ubot

[Delta223]

There's a lot of discussion between the "non (or barely) programmable" software like SeNuke, Ultimate Demon, Sick Submitter, Magic Submitter etc and the "programmable" ZennoPoster & Ubot.

Has anyone tried both and moved away from SeNuke/the other variants for their link building?

I'm thinking about it. It's not the learning curve I'm afraid of. It's having to create templates for every site I want to build links from, and then update them all myself when the website changes. Seems paying a monthly fee for Magic Submitter makes more sense. Maybe I'm not creative enough to see "all the other sites" that I could benefit from using Zennoposter on.

 

[TheBlueWizard]

There's a lot of discussion between the "non (or barely) programmable" software like SeNuke, Ultimate Demon, Sick Submitter, Magic Submitter etc and the "programmable" ZennoPoster & Ubot.

Has anyone tried both and moved away from SeNuke/the other variants for their link building?

I'm thinking about it. It's not the learning curve I'm afraid of. It's having to create templates for every site I want to build links from, and then update them all myself when the website changes. Seems paying a monthly fee for Magic Submitter makes more sense. Maybe I'm not creative enough to see "all the other sites" that I could benefit from using Zennoposter on.

I have NOT used Zenno yet, however, I already know what it does and have watched some of the tut vids.

Personally, I'm going to purchase it and invest a few weeks in mastering it and building templates, then eventually toss out SenukeX and Magic. Maintaining the templates is nothing compared to the benefits you get...

- With Zenno, its a ~$80 one time fee. SENuke is ~$150/month
- If websites change/update and screw with bots, you can fix it with Zenno. With SENuke/magic/UD, ya gotta wait until the devs fix it, and in some cases this can be A WHILE.
- With Zenno, you can always add in new sites at any time. SenukeX/magic/UD are very limited in this or don't support the feature at all.

 

[Delta223]

I hope you're right about it not being a big issue to maintain your templates. If you eventually worked up to 300 templates you may have to spend a lot of time spent updating them!

 

[Execute]

The main think I like about the pre-made software is that is has all been custom made to do exactly what you want it to do and it is pretty much a click and play deal. With uBot/zenno you have to program everything yourself. It is good but imagine custom coding 300+ sites with login and a nice UI.

The main thing that those bots are good for is random ideas that you have to generate traffic that can be automated.

 

[Dan Da Man]

If you want to burn and get nowhere in SEO than I suggest using SEpuke and those other shitty tools. If you really want to play hardball you need to start learning Zenno.

I just took at the sites that SEPuke has and half of the sites have 1 page indexed. 1 freaking page? What the hell is that going to do for anyone?

Senuke is running out of sites to spam as sites are getting harder to automate. They are scrambling to find anything that they can call a web 2.0. Honestly, if your using those tools you might as well just give up before you waste your time.

 

[imserious]

Don't think of Zenno as just an SEO tool.
You can create twitter accounts, pinterest accounts, hotmails, yahoos and almost any other account. Can SENuke do that.
You can automate CMses which nobody/fewpeople have touched.

Think of Zenno as an easier way to automate things.

 

[Scritty]

SENuke is a great tool.
If you want to have one page wonders with it..you can. but that's the fault of the USER not the TOOL. It allows you to crearte as big a profile and WEB2 site as you like. If idiots want to create loads of 1 page sites..well that's up to them, there's nothing in the tool to actually STOP you doing that.
Nuke and Demon allow multiple URL sites to be created over time, even add photos and videos without a lot of hassle.

As for Zenno and Ubit.

If you have your own ideas that do not copy what others are doing, then these tools ROCK
If you are going to spend your time creating scripts to do what other well developed and well maintained tools are already doing for a few dozen bucks a month - then your wasting your time.

The guys who make the big tools have to update them in a big way every few weeks to keep up with the changes that occus on the sites they post to. Demon costs $47 monthly and works out a hell of a lot cheaper on the "minimum 2 year" deal (max under $15 per month - probably under $10).

If you value your time (which you should) don't buy Zenno just to copy what is already done - and done very well.
Buy Zenno and Ubot to innovate.

As for tools being a waste of time? I'll say it again, depends how they are used.
You know the truism about the "bad workman..."

Scritty

 

[rostonix]

If you value your time (which you should) don't buy Zenno just to copy what is already done - and done very well.
Buy Zenno and Ubot to innovate.

That's so true. We always look to replicate something while there are so many untapped fields )

Anton

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[highl4nder]

Well if you buy tools like SENukeX, you'll be using these tools in the same day and building links ASAP. If you buy tools like ZP or UBot, you'll be using these tools in weeks or months after purchasing them because there's a learning curve (esp. if you're a non-coder). You can't just use these tools right out of the box (again, for non-coders).

 

[rostonix]

Well if you buy tools like SENukeX, you'll be using these tools in the same day and building links ASAP. If you buy tools like ZP or UBot, you'll be using these tools in weeks or months after purchasing them because there's a learning curve (esp. if you're a non-coder). You can't just use these tools right out of the box (again, for non-coders).

That's always be a question of quality of backlinks
When we talk about Zennoposter or Ubot we talk about automatic but at the same time hq manual backlinking

Anton

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[highl4nder]

The main think I like about the pre-made software is that is has all been custom made to do exactly what you want it to do and it is pretty much a click and play deal. With uBot/zenno you have to program everything yourself. It is good but imagine custom coding 300+ sites with login and a nice UI.

The main thing that those bots are good for is random ideas that you have to generate traffic that can be automated.

I agree with this.

Stick to using SENukeX/UD/MS for primary link building and use ZP/UBot for sites that these other softwares don't support. Don't bother yourself with updating the 300+ templates that you've created because TIME = MONEY.

 

[highl4nder]

That's always be a question of quality of backlinks
When we talk about Zennoposter or Ubot we talk about automatic but at the same time hq manual backlinking

Anton

I agree. But tools like SENukeX etc have like 400 sites built in. How much time will it take an average person to create templates for 400 quality sites? How much time will it take the average person to update these 400 or so quality sites?

That's why I believe programs like SENukeX etc. are still very much needed while tools like ZP or UBot are there to fill the gaps (like a SoundCloud tool, Google Plus tool etc. that programs like SENukeX and others don't support).

 

[rostonix]

I agree. But tools like SENukeX etc have like 400 sites built in. How much time will it take an average person to create templates for 400 quality sites? How much time will it take the average person to update these 400 or so quality sites?


That's why I believe programs like SENukeX etc. are still very much needed while tools like ZP or UBot are there to fill the gaps (like a SoundCloud tool, Google Plus tool etc. that programs like SENukeX and others don't support).

Sure.
But i hope the new function called Intellisearch in ZennoPoster MP will make it easier for us to create posters for different platforms without spending too much time for updates ) Even if some attributes of form will change, Zenno will find it if you will have good Intellisearch database ) We'll see anyway. I'm just started to play with it )

Senukex will have tons of customers no matter what. Ready to go powerful tools will always be popular )

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[Big_0n3]

Zenno poster is better than senuke because you can do with it many other things, not just seo

 

[Scritty]

I use both Zenno and Ubot a LOT, and hardly ever use them to make links.

If a site is popular, there's already an app for a few tens of bucks a month or a few hundred right out that does it
If it's not, then there might be so few that it's quicker to post a couple of hundred manually than make a bot for it.

I use Zenno to do all sorts of stuff that has little to do directly with making links.
For instance. I post on about 150 niche motorbike forums. Not for links - just for post count, rep, recognition, priviledges (that only happen after a certain post count or length of active time on a forum) etc.
Zenno script checks for new threads (by thread start time) parses title and content of first post (OP) and then picks one of about 2000 responses I have in a file, changes a keyword or two to match, and posts it. Also referring to the name of the OP or post title.

Script took about 3 hours to write, content took about 4 hours to put together. I've used it for about a year and modified it countless times.
That's just an example. I've done loads of stuff like that.
Trip Advisor is another beaut (for rep management)
Fetching tons of RSS feeds and auto scanning for trending items (serial numbers/nouns not used before..it's not hard)

I could go on and on - -but I might as well give you my wallet if I did that.

Zenno and Ubot's power is not really even in link making, it's in everything else, and believe me there's a LOT more to do.

Scritty

 

[moonlighsunligh]

That's so true. We always look to replicate something while there are so many untapped fields.

Actually there SN/MS/UD aren't that good. For example you cannot upload images in any web 2.0 sites using it.The same goes for videos. I am not even sure if SN/UB actually choose random site theme, before posting an article.

For example some people like to add article first without links, and after a week add links, to avoid article to get deleted. Senuke cannot do this.

And off course there are countless other uses for ZP. It is better than anything else, since you can even solve match captchas, they are big pain in the ass, as these usually cannot be easily automated.


Could you give us an example, how the intelsearch can find the right for after a site is changed. Do we need to verify the field in question as when recording template, or it is done by itself (without any change in the template)?

 

[Colonel Tuxedo]

I could go on and on...

By all means, please do go on

That's smart though. I just started using Zenno about a week or so ago, starting to get the hang of it and I already have tons of ideas for different bots. It's a highly complex piece of software though, and I've barely scratched the surface of what it's actually capable of.

Never used any other "blackhat" tools on the market, but I'm sure I'll need to ramp up my efforts soon so maybe I can come back and give the OP a detailed comparison.

 

[Colonel Tuxedo]

And off course there are countless other uses for ZP. It is better than anything else, since you can even solve match captchas, they are big pain in the ass, as these usually cannot be easily automated.

I ran into a problem earlier today with captchas for a specific site. I was using DBC. Have you ever noticed an unusually low accuracy rate with DBC in Zenno?

Could you give us an example, how the intelsearch can find the right for after a site is changed. Do we need to verify the field in question as when recording template, or it is done by itself (without any change in the template)?

I'd love to know more about this as well. This feature seems incredibly useful and there hasn't been talked about very much, at least anywhere that I've seen. I've been using regex whenever possible to minimize the chances that I'll have to come back and update templates, so hopefully that helps. I'll find out soon.

 

[rostonix]

Could you give us an example, how the intelsearch can find the right for after a site is changed. Do we need to verify the field in question as when recording template, or it is done by itself (without any change in the template)?

It depends on you intellisearch database.

Decisions about what kind of field we deal with is not only about HTML attributes. So there are possibilities: we either will need to teach IS new field, either it will find it for itself )

I ran into a problem earlier today with captchas for a specific site. I was using DBC. Have you ever noticed an unusually low accuracy rate with DBC in Zenno?

There's no such thing like "low accuracy rate with DBC in Zenno"

DBC either works either not.
That's it.

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[Dan Da Man]

I use both Zenno and Ubot a LOT, and hardly ever use them to make links.

If a site is popular, there's already an app for a few tens of bucks a month or a few hundred right out that does it
If it's not, then there might be so few that it's quicker to post a couple of hundred manually than make a bot for it.

I use Zenno to do all sorts of stuff that has little to do directly with making links.
For instance. I post on about 150 niche motorbike forums. Not for links - just for post count, rep, recognition, priviledges (that only happen after a certain post count or length of active time on a forum) etc.
Zenno script checks for new threads (by thread start time) parses title and content of first post (OP) and then picks one of about 2000 responses I have in a file, changes a keyword or two to match, and posts it. Also referring to the name of the OP or post title.

Script took about 3 hours to write, content took about 4 hours to put together. I've used it for about a year and modified it countless times.
That's just an example. I've done loads of stuff like that.
Trip Advisor is another beaut (for rep management)
Fetching tons of RSS feeds and auto scanning for trending items (serial numbers/nouns not used before..it's not hard)

I could go on and on - -but I might as well give you my wallet if I did that.

Zenno and Ubot's power is not really even in link making, it's in everything else, and believe me there's a LOT more to do.

Scritty

Scritty,

I know you run UD a lot and you seem to be a big advocate of it but why? No offense but UD is limited as you have to babysit the program just like Senuke meaning there is no looping. I guess if you have one site and you want to babysit that one site than sure but as we know you need many many sites in the game of SEO these days.

There is nothing that comes close to Zenno in terms of producing the sheer volume of 2.0s that I need. I can sit all day pressing stop and go for Senuke and come up with 300 links from shitty 2.0s (I don't know how different UD is but I bet it is very similar) or I can create massive tiers by spending 30 minutes setting up my campaigns and also have the ability to do things besides pressing buttons.

You seem to know your shit so I am asking in all honesty why you would use UD