prab1996
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Just want to check if quality of my old spinner is still better then bhw lounge threads by pwep.
Just a tip on a great meditation
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Just want to check if quality of my old spinner is still better then bhw lounge threads by pwep.
BreaknBrix
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You're putting cheese on your chakras bro.
AFAIC this is not real meditation. Soaking in feelings, visualizing or feeling any type of energy is not the goal of meditation. The goal is not to visualize, feel or experience anything. That's the whole point of meditating. You don't seek enlightenment, energy, insight or anything. You go in with 0 goals.
All the real professionals know and practice this type of meditation.
And very few people are able to meditate cause meditation itself has been contaminated with all sorts of religious, hindu & tantric belief systems.
The people who achieve true altered states are the ones who know and understand this.
It is akin to martial arts. And even harder than MA if you ask me. Cause the real "goal" is to decontaminate your consciousness and natural impulses. The goal is to remove the goal. It's to "control" by not controlling. 99% of the time people fail at this. They think mediating is sitting down, focusing on breathing or all the shit you wrote, and seeking out some altered state.
That's not how it works.
You merely sit and exist. You will be assaulted by all sorts of impulses. The impulse to focus on a horizon. To focus on the wind or your breathing. And minute after minute hour after hour... some people will literally go days doing this... you wipe the slate clean. The second something comes you let it go. The longer you sit, the more and more things stop passing through you. They begin to flow around your body. You become one with the world. You reach a point where you forget you even exist.
It is a very difficult, if not almost impossible state to reach. But some people are able to do it with years and years of practice. And once you reach that state, THINGS JUST HAPPEN. Your consciousness becomes so liquefied and uninterrupted it is only after that point where you reach true altered states. It's when consciousness fully releases. And no, I have never been able to achieve this state. But I know some people who have. One described it like a full blown MDMA trip. But it doesn't always go that way. You can be struck with an intense euphoria, empathy.. and wind up in a blissfully beautiful state. You can also wind up dysphoric, hollow, and depressed as fuck.
But the point I'm making, mediation at it's roots, is something you don't control. It may begin with control but it ends up where ever consciousness takes you. And most of the time, it takes you nowhere cause most people don't have the discipline.
Whatever state you achieved.... I won't even address. Let's just say that whatever a person feels, they will immediately seek rationale to justify those feelings. If you feel anxious, you'll rationalize it with something like "well that person looked at me wrong and THAT is why I feel anxious". Same thing with the mediating you're doing. You sat down for 60-90 minutes. Which is like taking a power nap. Then you got up and felt energized. Well, no surprise. I feel that way 90% of the time when I wake up. Problem is... you had to immediately and CONSCIOUSLY rationalize that state into existence. Like, "I feel energetic and blissful cause I meditated", rather than "I feel energetic and blissful cause I didn't do shit for 90 minutes".
Feel free to debate / argue with me. I just believe like most people, you are distorting the roots and foundation of true mediation. And that's not really an issue. If people wanna sit down and focus on shit, then act like they accomplished something meaningful, so be it. As long as they believe they did something important, that's enough confirmation for them. But when I meditate, I have no goals or end state in mind. Whatever happens happens. And to me that is real meditation.
-BB
AFAIC this is not real meditation. Soaking in feelings, visualizing or feeling any type of energy is not the goal of meditation. The goal is not to visualize, feel or experience anything. That's the whole point of meditating. You don't seek enlightenment, energy, insight or anything. You go in with 0 goals.
All the real professionals know and practice this type of meditation.
And very few people are able to meditate cause meditation itself has been contaminated with all sorts of religious, hindu & tantric belief systems.
The people who achieve true altered states are the ones who know and understand this.
It is akin to martial arts. And even harder than MA if you ask me. Cause the real "goal" is to decontaminate your consciousness and natural impulses. The goal is to remove the goal. It's to "control" by not controlling. 99% of the time people fail at this. They think mediating is sitting down, focusing on breathing or all the shit you wrote, and seeking out some altered state.
That's not how it works.
You merely sit and exist. You will be assaulted by all sorts of impulses. The impulse to focus on a horizon. To focus on the wind or your breathing. And minute after minute hour after hour... some people will literally go days doing this... you wipe the slate clean. The second something comes you let it go. The longer you sit, the more and more things stop passing through you. They begin to flow around your body. You become one with the world. You reach a point where you forget you even exist.
It is a very difficult, if not almost impossible state to reach. But some people are able to do it with years and years of practice. And once you reach that state, THINGS JUST HAPPEN. Your consciousness becomes so liquefied and uninterrupted it is only after that point where you reach true altered states. It's when consciousness fully releases. And no, I have never been able to achieve this state. But I know some people who have. One described it like a full blown MDMA trip. But it doesn't always go that way. You can be struck with an intense euphoria, empathy.. and wind up in a blissfully beautiful state. You can also wind up dysphoric, hollow, and depressed as fuck.
But the point I'm making, mediation at it's roots, is something you don't control. It may begin with control but it ends up where ever consciousness takes you. And most of the time, it takes you nowhere cause most people don't have the discipline.
Whatever state you achieved.... I won't even address. Let's just say that whatever a person feels, they will immediately seek rationale to justify those feelings. If you feel anxious, you'll rationalize it with something like "well that person looked at me wrong and THAT is why I feel anxious". Same thing with the mediating you're doing. You sat down for 60-90 minutes. Which is like taking a power nap. Then you got up and felt energized. Well, no surprise. I feel that way 90% of the time when I wake up. Problem is... you had to immediately and CONSCIOUSLY rationalize that state into existence. Like, "I feel energetic and blissful cause I meditated", rather than "I feel energetic and blissful cause I didn't do shit for 90 minutes".
Feel free to debate / argue with me. I just believe like most people, you are distorting the roots and foundation of true mediation. And that's not really an issue. If people wanna sit down and focus on shit, then act like they accomplished something meaningful, so be it. As long as they believe they did something important, that's enough confirmation for them. But when I meditate, I have no goals or end state in mind. Whatever happens happens. And to me that is real meditation.
-BB
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Mike420
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This is great stuff... Need to start doin it again.
Have felt different kinds of energys, chackras and weird stuff that sometimes even got me hard(WTF?) by doin meditaton few times. Once even felt full body orgasm like thing, but im man(WTF again)
Few times tried lucid dreaming also, and waked up when it started...
Meditation makes you very calm and easily focused afterwards, like different kind of mindset with great new ideas.
Have felt different kinds of energys, chackras and weird stuff that sometimes even got me hard(WTF?) by doin meditaton few times. Once even felt full body orgasm like thing, but im man(WTF again)
Few times tried lucid dreaming also, and waked up when it started...
Meditation makes you very calm and easily focused afterwards, like different kind of mindset with great new ideas.
Wilson Grant Fisk
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I thought that had been spun but I was worried Pewep might have cursed you and given you brain damage!
prab1996
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Yep , he cursed me. But, after reading his this thread i was able to reverse the spell and now he is under it.
Trepanated
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Exactly.
What Pewep is doing is 'imagining' and not meditating. The act of imagining involves thinking - and thinking means you are not meditating. You are failing at the first hurdle.
Meditation is about not thinking. It's about stopping thought, getting beneath it, finding that place inside your mind that exists before thought begins.
Getting there is not an easy thing to do (and that's a major understatement) and takes a lot of practise. The reason it is so hard, is because every time to approach that place, you realise you are getting somewhere, you realise you are getting close to something, something feels different. And that realisation is a thought - and *poof*, it's gone.
Approaching that doorway is virtually impossible to do without realising you are approaching it. And every time you get closer, the realisation is harder to avoid. And the act of avoidance itself is thought.
Some people practise meditation their whole lives and never get through that door.
And if you do get through it, there's no way to describe it, because there is nothing there.
srb888
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Op, sorry, but you got the sequence wrong! You missed the all important fifth chakra (called Vishuddhi chakra in Sanskrit language). You should never bypass it and move to the sixth, Agnya chakra. Because the 5th is the one where the actual overall purification begins. The 7th is the crown or Shahahstra-dal chakra, which is still not the ultimate in Kundalini chakras! And just one experience(!) doesn't make you the master of the Kundalini (some call it the divine serpant)... Anyway, enjoy it!
Something close but not exact, but still very informative:
http://www.chakras.net/energy-centers/vishuddhi
Something close but not exact, but still very informative:
http://www.chakras.net/energy-centers/vishuddhi
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srb888
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HAD to open a new post for this:
Pewep, you missed the Vishuddhi chakra, the all important one that takes you on to a definite positive route of self-realization. Symbolically, you HAD to!!
Read the link and know why the 5th chakra, the Vishuddhi is important. It, when worked on, helps in stopping you from flowing towards the negatives and helps you concentrate to achieve the goal... that's the one which is the most important to a student of Kundalini imho. The negatives (thoughts including), the body and mind's toxins, the colelction of other external and internal poison is symbolically shown in DEMONS and WITCHES... they being the negative energies, and towards whom you are attracted!
You simply had to miss that chakra! There are no such easy shortcuts in Yoga, especially the Kundalini way of self-realization. There actually is, but it's not available to all! It's like you are symbolically a bulb of 15w power, and are tryng to absorb a million watts into you! Simply not possible... you got to increase your capability and capacity, AND in a systematic way if you are realizing "yourself" through the Way of Kundalini... and it takes time and patience, and wisdom the way we humans know it.
Also, Agnya chakra, the sixth one, is very tricky... you can miss the whole fun if you can't find that real chakra! You had a good experience, but it was not complete. The real way the Kundalini power awakes is beyond comparison. The bliss you feel can't be told in words, at least by us mortals. The sequence it has isn't something to be broken, and thn say I am at 6/7 level! Don't play with the "fire"... but once you are a master, you can "break" the sequence any time without problems to you or others!
That stage can come in a lifetime or can take a thousand. Depends on how you begin the beautiful journey, and how you keep walking on it... Keep an eye on what you want to achieve, and forget those "witches and demons". However helpful they seem to you, they will keep you walking the opposite way on this spiritual path. Take it or leave it.
Anyway, get really away from those witches and demons and then I can be interested in your story... dude! You had a glimpse of what's really "there", just like a trailer! None of your demon friends can take you in that bliss land ever.
Pewep, you missed the Vishuddhi chakra, the all important one that takes you on to a definite positive route of self-realization. Symbolically, you HAD to!!
Read the link and know why the 5th chakra, the Vishuddhi is important. It, when worked on, helps in stopping you from flowing towards the negatives and helps you concentrate to achieve the goal... that's the one which is the most important to a student of Kundalini imho. The negatives (thoughts including), the body and mind's toxins, the colelction of other external and internal poison is symbolically shown in DEMONS and WITCHES... they being the negative energies, and towards whom you are attracted!
You simply had to miss that chakra! There are no such easy shortcuts in Yoga, especially the Kundalini way of self-realization. There actually is, but it's not available to all! It's like you are symbolically a bulb of 15w power, and are tryng to absorb a million watts into you! Simply not possible... you got to increase your capability and capacity, AND in a systematic way if you are realizing "yourself" through the Way of Kundalini... and it takes time and patience, and wisdom the way we humans know it.
Also, Agnya chakra, the sixth one, is very tricky... you can miss the whole fun if you can't find that real chakra! You had a good experience, but it was not complete. The real way the Kundalini power awakes is beyond comparison. The bliss you feel can't be told in words, at least by us mortals. The sequence it has isn't something to be broken, and thn say I am at 6/7 level! Don't play with the "fire"... but once you are a master, you can "break" the sequence any time without problems to you or others!
That stage can come in a lifetime or can take a thousand. Depends on how you begin the beautiful journey, and how you keep walking on it... Keep an eye on what you want to achieve, and forget those "witches and demons". However helpful they seem to you, they will keep you walking the opposite way on this spiritual path. Take it or leave it.
Anyway, get really away from those witches and demons and then I can be interested in your story... dude!
You had a glimpse of what's really "there", just like a trailer! None of your demon friends can take you in that bliss land ever.Op, sorry, but you got the sequence wrong! You missed the all important fifth chakra (called Vishuddhi chakra in Sanskrit language). You should never bypass it and move to the sixth, Agnya chakra. Because the 5th is the one where the actual overall purification begins. The 7th is the crown or Shahahstra-dal chakra, which is still not the ultimate in Kundalini chakras! And just one experience(!) doesn't make you the master of the Kundalini (some call it the divine serpant)... Anyway, enjoy it!
Something close but not exact, but still very informative:
http://www.chakras.net/energy-centers/vishuddhi
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pewep
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Still working on it
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Trepanated
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Still working on it
Are you going to put an ice cube in the oven and melt it just with the power of your mind?
pewep
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By the way, I strongly recommend oil pulling for teeth problems.
pewep
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HAD to open a new post for this:
Pewep, you missed the Vishuddhi chakra, the all important one that takes you on to a definite positive route of self-realization. Symbolically, you HAD to!!
Read the link and know why the 5th chakra, the Vishuddhi is important. It, when worked on, helps in stopping you from flowing towards the negatives and helps you concentrate to achieve the goal... that's the one which is the most important to a student of Kundalini imho. The negatives (thoughts including), the body and mind's toxins, the colelction of other external and internal poison is symbolically shown in DEMONS and WITCHES... they being the negative energies, and towards whom you are attracted!
You simply had to miss that chakra! There are no such easy shortcuts in Yoga, especially the Kundalini way of self-realization. There actually is, but it's not available to all! It's like you are symbolically a bulb of 15w power, and are tryng to absorb a million watts into you! Simply not possible... you got to increase your capability and capacity, AND in a systematic way if you are realizing "yourself" through the Way of Kundalini... and it takes time and patience, and wisdom the way we humans know it.
Also, Agnya chakra, the sixth one, is very tricky... you can miss the whole fun if you can't find that real chakra! You had a good experience, but it was not complete. The real way the Kundalini power awakes is beyond comparison. The bliss you feel can't be told in words, at least by us mortals. The sequence it has isn't something to be broken, and thn say I am at 6/7 level! Don't play with the "fire"... but once you are a master, you can "break" the sequence any time without problems to you or others!
That stage can come in a lifetime or can take a thousand. Depends on how you begin the beautiful journey, and how you keep walking on it... Keep an eye on what you want to achieve, and forget those "witches and demons". However helpful they seem to you, they will keep you walking the opposite way on this spiritual path. Take it or leave it.
Anyway, get really away from those witches and demons and then I can be interested in your story... dude!
So I've read through this, including the link you sent me and I thank you for the information. However, I'll just say this: I'm not saying i'm 6/7 levels or anything like that. What I'm saying is that I felt the energy in 6/7 chakras. I wasn't trying to do anything (well, not directly anyway, I do a lot of kundalini type meditations, pranayama, prayer and energy work and that directly affects my chakras), it just happened. Now, I've had problems with my heart, root and throat chakra but over the last couple of months I seem to be improving. Gradually over time I will open all of them and be able to feel them all at will.
I don't directly seek out to open any chakras by force. My third eye opened by its own naturally and I actually wasn't even meditating at that point, it just happened. The rest have opened gradually and I just let them open at their own pace, not forcing anything. I'm pretty excited though, I can't wait to have all 7 working.
There are also hundreds, thousands, millions of energy points all over the body, like for example I can feel two points directly in the center of my palm, many other places too. This work will take a lifetime, and more but it's worth it
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pewep
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Listen, as difficult as this is going to be for me, because frankly I find you to be very presumptuous, I'm going to actually reply to you in a way that bridges our two worlds together.
First of all, it's nonsense to say "this is the only way to meditate" or "this is what true meditation is". That actually doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's like saying "this is the only way to think" or "this is THE ONLY exercise that will improve your body".
No, that's not how the mind works. Different strokes for different folks. Now, I have done that type of void meditation before, actually I've done it for over 5 hours in a day for a while before so I have a pretty good idea about what it does. It's great for stimulating and packing energy into my lower dan tien, but I don't find that to be necessary. Different meditations do different things and affect the mind in different ways. Now, the main reason I'm doing meditation isn't for "enlightenment" (even though that'll probably happen) or "inner peace" (that's already happened). I'm doing meditation and energy work for BIG superpowers. Period. That's how I get my kicks. That's how I rock my world.
I think you and trepanated seem to be very confused about one issue so let me make it clear. When I say I "feel" energy, I mean I feel like like I feel this keyboard. When I say I "see" spirits, I see them like I am looking at this computer. It is a 100% sensory event, not mental.
When I was purifying my manipura chakra (directly below the belly button), I woke up to find a HUGE sore spot - it was very painful and it's like someone had poured an irritant or something on my belly button. It was reddish, pimples all over and just hurt a lot. I went to sleep before and woke up with it like that. That's what happens when you expel a lot of energy from a chakra accidentally or purify it. That's physical and real. I also get a pimples and stupid shit like that directly over energy centers when dirty energy is being expelled.
I'm not imagining it lol. I am EXPERIENCING it, very big difference. You cannot "imagine" energy circulating in a chakra. It either is there or it isn't. Period. Imagination takes too much effort, chakras pump out energy all day.
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blackouts
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I think that this would be the tricky part for myself, i had a few sleep paralysis episodes. Some scarier then others. Any way how to avoid them?
@ Pewep, with all your experience in lucid dreaming etc. i have found the ideal affiliate program for you! Or maybe that's your product?? http://luciddreamleaf.com/product/buy-dream-leaf/#oid=1003_1
pewep
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I think that this would be the tricky part for myself, i had a few sleep paralysis episodes. Some scarier then others. Any way how to avoid them?
@ Pewep, with all your experience in lucid dreaming etc. i have found the ideal affiliate program for you! Or maybe that's your product?? http://luciddreamleaf.com/product/buy-dream-leaf/#oid=1003_1
Best way to avoid them is to tell yourself you're going to have a good night's sleep (repeat this in your head or aloud for 5-10 minutes). Meditation also helps.
Err, I'll pass on that lol.
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godspeed007
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OP I have also been meditating since last couple of years (I follow methods mentioned in "Liber Null" & similar Grimoire guides) and yes, it feels great to have the chakras unlocked to let astral projection occur. I cannot freeze down a lake solid like you mentioned but I can alter some natural processes. I have tried things only a few times and most of the time, I succeeded but it needs to have a lot of patience and solitude. I beilive in the law of karma these days which keeps me away from conducting such acts to go against the will of nature.
OP which path do you follow? I am a solitary witch bdw.
OP which path do you follow? I am a solitary witch bdw.
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