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[Journey] 17 year old - Going to $2,000 a Month

Discussion in 'My Journey Discussions' started by motzart, Aug 11, 2012.

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  1. motzart

    motzart Power Member

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    Ok so this is going to be my journal of my online marketing journey so far. I'm in this race for the long-haul so you can expect to see this thread up and running until I make it.

    Some background info on me, I originally got into IM when I was maybe 13 years old and wanted to purchase some online currency for video games. (On second thought, screw Nexon and Combat Arms if you know what they are). I started getting into though PPC and Survery websites where I essentially filled out endless CPA offers for the guys that run the site. I made a few cents the first day, and I was HOOKED. After maybe 3-4 months of filling out offers every day, mind you it had to be hidden from my parents as they would have never allowed their kid to make money online, I reached my goal. I finally got to cash out a $15 gift card. At that point, I knew where my true passion lied in life... the chase of cash windfalls online. Something about the chase of money makes this all worth it. In some ways I actually love going after my goals slightly more than I enjoy reaching them, maybe I'm just weird.

    More recently when I got to BHW, I had no clue what to do. All I can say is that the advice 'read everything, then read it again' is fantastic advice. The only thing that really matters here is your knowledge and experience... nothing more. When you start out you have no experience so you need to fill that gap with as much knowledge as possible, and then hopefully you can start to gain experience over time. So I jumped into selling SEO content for MNS and basically whoever wanted my articles. They were ok quality.. better than any foreign stuff, but I didn't really know on-site SEO at the time. The difference between me and the regular person who doesn't know SEO? I blackhatted it up and played a great salesman on Fiverr, and essentially got people to believe that I knew what I was talking about.

    So Fiverr was going well and I started building up reoccurring customers, remember before this point I thought $15 was huge, and made maybe $100 in Gigs, all 100% positive rating. My first problem came when I realized that the actual amount of money that entered into my paypal account for a gig was $3.82 instead of the $5 that I expected. That meant I was doing dirt cheap 500 word articles that were better than most on Fiverr. So I moved to my own domain and website and started building up my own list of clients. I wrote for a few high-end websites including an online magazine, web-traffic blog, and a few technology review sites. Basically things were going well.

    Then I hit my second wall - once again I realized I wasn't making enough. I didn't want to go into full time article writing and I really didn't want to build a business out of it either (meaning getting writers and clients and just managing them). So I decided that ONCE AGAIN I had to scale up my work. I started looking for the next step, one thing that I did do which was intelligent was keeping my long-term clients. I kept a few of my best paying clients so that even though I had time to work on finding a new method/way to make more money I had the best paying clients' stream of money coming in. I made somewhere around $5-8 per 500 word article but I was maxing out my time making between $100-$200 a week. Due to school and just life in general I couldn't do this full time writing, so that was another flaw, regardless I had to move on.

    And my most recent update is that I started an authority site, which I am going to build with high-quality content, and SEO for the next few years to come in the hopes that it grows into something big. It has only been around for a few weeks so not much is really up yet, but I am optimistic. At the same time I have been preparing a service that I am hoping to debut here as an exclusive BHW service asap.

    Another smart thing I did is I used 100% of my free time to learn, always reading, always testing out new ideas and now I have a very strong grasp on the main things that interested me online including SEO.

    My name is Brandon and this is my journey to $2000 a month, with that much income I will be able to purchase my next goal and afford the upkeep for, a motorcycle. If, hopefully when, I reach this point it will be the next step in both my online career and my life in general. Think I can make it?
     
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  2. ranma1

    ranma1 Newbie

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    Good luck with your journey :)
     
  3. SEOnetic

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    The best way to handle fiverr is automated tools. If you do them with normal manual work then you will burn out real soon. Speaking from experience.
     
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  4. motzart

    motzart Power Member

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    Yeah, that was my problem. On one hand I was so happy to get work, but it consumed my life and for under $4 per article that I would spend 30 mins on.. I just couldn't handle it. I wish I had realized that back then.
     
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    I know you will succeed bro because you have all the knowledge that you need. $2000 is very doable. We just place the limit on ourselves thinking it is not possible but it is. The sky is the limit, you only need to work hard and stay focused. Good Luck.:D
     
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  6. motzart

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    Thanks man, appreciate it. Sometimes it gets hard when I realize there are so many people out there already doing it, and I just need to find my way into the group haha.
     
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    Man, I wish I was as clued in as you at my age :D
    Good luck on your journey, I'll be watching!
     
  8. closedCaption

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    Good luck with your voyage!
     
  9. motzart

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    Update: August 11, 2012
    Ok so today I tried to organize my plans. So far I have four things going on.

    1) My long-term content clients - Got about $200 a month coming in (it seems like this could go on forever)
    Actually having a problem with this because this client is so reliable, and the fact that I don't have to work hard for his approval I find myself slacking off often and I'm behind on articles, which doesn't bother him because he just pays me for the work I do.

    2) My authority site - Need to keep working on content for it, but more importantly I need to get working on SEO for the site
    Buying a VPS + Scrapebox + Private Proxies for it - Sometimes having a Mac sucks for SEO programs

    3) Working on possible service/product for the BST, need to get the motivation for this too due to the fact that its delayed gratification
    This idea of instant/delayed gratification is really starting to bother me, I think its the inner teenager, but I need to get back my drive.

    4) Investigating possible offline business - I think I could provide (average but adequate) online services like design/seo/social work for small businesses in my local area. I think I've matured enough to get over my fear of cold-calling/getting a reputation in my town. What I mean by that is I was afraid of all my family/friends finding out about my internet marketing and my money making drive.

    Anyway, this update is rather lacking but at least you can see my thought process. I usually put down my goals on a notepad, then my problems or what is keeping me from them, and finally what I can do to get over the problems (the solutions if you will). My only problem now is a lack of drive--Does anyone here know what it means if I say I'm a lazy INTP?-- So once I do that I'll be happy.

    Thanks for all the support, you might not realize it, but it means a lot to me.
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    You are going well. I would recommend hiring a few article writers as your assistants and try to take more orders.
     
  11. motzart

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    Not much to update.

    1) I was reading one of the lounge threads/i dont remember, but it talked about how people put their age in these journey posts.. and he was right. I feel kinda stupid for doing that, clearly I was just after attention.

    2) Working on my website, clients work, and still working on SEO/possible service.
     
  12. motzart

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    Back after a few months...

    First off here's why I took a break.

    I was scammed out of $500 in a joint venture on the dumbwarriorworld. (Yeah, I'm the stupid one here, for thinking anyone on WF is legit)
    And then I got nearly $1000 tied up in another JV gone bad, this time on BHW.


    So basically, after being really annoyed at myself... really hating myself. I've decided to take a step forward and try something new. I joined a new network marketing type of website, and its really starting to pay off. I only joined a few days ago, but I was able to meet tons of helpful people.

    In fact, the guy who I ended up signing up under, as a referral, has taken tons of time out of his day to hook me up with his methods... so that's going really well.

    I'll update again in a few days-- hopefully at that point I'll be able to start showing you payment details... as that would be some serious progress in the right direction.

    After all, I'm here to make money right?
     
  13. motzart

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    Update -

    Decided to give a money update.

    I know when I started out on blackhatworld one of my favorite threads to read was how much money people were pulling in.

    Currently here are my income/expenses.

    Income:
    SEO Consulting/Linkbuilding: $300/month
    Email Marketing: ~$300/month depending on success
    Content Marketing For Clients: $200/month (this depends on my free time, recently I've been really booked) Only around $100/month currently

    Expenses:
    Dedicated STMP Server/Host: $114/month
    Extra IP's for emailing: $15/month
    Domain names for emailing: $200/month
    SEO Tools/Research/Testing: $50/month (varies a lot)

    So As you can see currently my email marketing is only breaking even, my SEO is bringing in a solid profit (but I need to bring in more clients, right now I just have that one client).

    My Plan:
    Keep working on SEO... need to market much harder. I need to bring in a lot more clients.
    Email marketing will be my side-job/effort for when I have free time. It's really profitable, but I haven't found the right niche yet.
     
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    Today -

    Started up a new email campaign. Cleaned my list, checked spamlist's/blacklists for my domains and IP's. Sending out 500k emails through about 20 domains on my server... should take a day or two to fully go through.

    Opt-in list was bought through sites like wallstreetjournal... etc.

    Honestly, I think the targetting is really bad, at least for my offer. I've gone into sort of online biz-opp/mlm, so these type of leads just aren't cutting it.

    If anyone has experience with EN/online MLM/biz-opp, and could tell me a good place to buy leads I would love it.
     
  15. motzart

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    Re-doing my landing page - wordpress-based site. Paid $99 for new copywriting on the domain.

    Did all of the graphics/website design myself, but I'm just not good at sales copy/writing, so its worth it to outsource that much.

    Check out the new design here

    The other thing I am trying this time, not going to have a purchase button on the page. I'm going to make potential clients contact me and give me their information before hand. My idea is that I am basically pre-selling my potential clients on the page and then making them qualify themselves.

    This should lead to higher conversions, significantly, from the ones that put in the time to give me some solid insight into their SEO needs.

    The other thing I am going to do is try to rank for local terms pertaining to different cities/states.
     
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    Good luck! Keep at it!
     
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    good luck man! I really wish I had your drive at the age of 17.
     
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    Thanks!

    Yeah? What do you do now? I'm more than happy to share some space in my thread if you want to explore some ideas or ask for advice haha. (Not that I have much to offer)

    Update --

    My EN and MLM gig isn't going very well. Sent out a bunch of emails to my leads, didn't convert at all.. well we got a few to submit their emails, but the only way I get paid is when they enter their credit card details. If I had to guess, I'm probably going to leave this network after this month... I just don't have the current money to test out the offer with too much paid traffic. I might test it with ~$100 worth of Facebook PPC I really just need to figure out what I'm willing to risk.

    Income:
    Another $300 monthly SEO payment came in --- spent some time working on the next step of his campaign. Things are looking up for him, supposedly he made 3 sales in the past few days from the increased traffic, who knows?

    Current Ideas/Problems---

    One of my other ideas is looking for a JV, or just going in by myself, into the BST here on BHW. I know it is very profitable for a lot of people out there... but, the minor problem is that it would cost around $97 for the donor status and another $40? for the thread, and probably another $100 for a solid graphic design artist to make me the sales graphic, and then maybe another chunk of my time doing this all that I can't put towards current projects.

    Then again... that is the small problem.

    Here's my main problem, and fear of BST, I'm not sure what or how to offer my services. SEO services tend to do very well here when they are priced under $200 a month. Even more so, those are the respected members with monthly based services... the "SEO packages" themselves are usually starting under $50...

    For that reason, I think it would be very hard to make *significant* amounts of money from selling monthly services, as I would only want to take on a maximum of 5-10 clients. To be honest, when you sell a monthly plan you are selling your time and experience, but the more time you sell the less value your customer receives.

    For that reason it almost seems like a paradox ==> lower your service price to gain customers, even though that's lowering the value of your service (which makes the pricing correct), but on the other hand most people probably wouldn't pay $500-2500/month here for high end SEO, as the main targets are EMD's or low-end authority sites.

    At least, that's my take on the issue.

    Let me know what you think, my other idea was to try and JV with someone to create a sort of product/service that would include my SEO services as an upsell, addition, or something. Not sure. (I'd really love to partner with one of the authority/micro-niche site creators to offer SEO alongside their product)

    Edit:
    Anyone have extensive experience selling on the BST here? I would love to throw some questions at you.
     
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    Subscribed. Good luck buddy and keep it up!
     
  20. motzart

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    News -
    Got back $300 from (what I thought) was a scam. Might be able to recover the rest of my $1000 investment. Not paying any profit from this, actually losing like 10% due to moving the money through payment processors so many times. But I'd be very happy if I get back my investment because it seems like a huge ponzi scheme.

    My SEO Stuff -
    Working on building up a blog long term. Mainly reading Matthew Woodward's site for info and help. I actually emailed him yesterday asking for some advice and he was kind enough to respond which I really appreciated. This is mostly a long-term project, as I'm not investing paid traffic into it, just going to see where it takes me.

    Met a guy from BHW that does local SEO in the UK... he does AMAZING work. I'm sad to say, but he is significantly stronger at local seo than me. So I thought to ask him for a partnership for a BST JV. I would run the marketing/sales on BHW and he would do the work. Its pretty incredible, and I hope it goes through, but I'm not sure yet.

    My other partner is getting annoyed at me since my empower emailing project has not generated any sales yet or any commissions ... so... I'm guessing I'm going to drop that program after this month, unfortunately. I really thought it was a profitable idea.

    Other thoughts-

    Thinking about buying donor/jr vip status, I'm guessing it would be nice to advertise stuff in my signature... and I think it could help me make more profit in the future with BST's. Idk. Need to look into that.

    Bleh. Not feeling great, really wish I had a more solid method planned out, hate being so nervous all the time.
     
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