Is Blackhat SEO dying out? [Serious]

as of my analyse I was check ing lot of ranking only keyword stuffing done by some website they were ranked in #1 position. so how this black hat method is helping them out I don't know. what basis google showing the result till I can't get it...

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I like to cook steak for about 20 minutes as me and the mrs like it well done. Oh wait, this thread is about whether blackhat SEO is dieing out!! Perhaps we should have this seperate discussion in another thread....

Henry IV said:

I like to cook steak for about 20 minutes as me and the mrs like it well done. Oh wait, this thread is about whether blackhat SEO is dieing out!! Perhaps we should have this seperate discussion in another thread....

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Perhaps the steak would be a more interesting discussion for the next 20 pages of this thread.

you monsters

eat tofu

boleklolek said:

Dont get me wrong guys, Im still ranking and steady increasing positions(althought its fukin slow) and im still buying links because I have no funds to build my own pbn, but I can see blackhat seo dying in 2-3 years completely

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Hello there,

I was reading your post and then the comments of what other said, therefore let me share my point of view here. I joined this community very recently however I have been in this industry for close to 8 years now. I have seen whiteboards becoming blackboards, businesses changing their name, people quitting tools like Scrapebox, spending millions in simple outreach, discontinuing link building and yet achieving nothing. Therefore as far as the point of Blackhat dying now or after 2 years may be 5 years is concerned, I do not agree. The point is as one of the member mentioned above that its an algorithm and it can be gamed. No matter Google bring in the AI or launch a million different tricks to fine tune its algorithm just remember the ones who are doing these are humans like us. All you need to do is think better than them.

People say that it takes time to rank. Well that can be true but if you ask me I would say you can even rank faster these days too. Give me a blog may be a blogspot and I can easily show you that it can be brought in top 5 in 15 days. Most of the times I see that there's loopholes in algorithm which you can easily use to improve your rankings. You can get your website penalized by Google and trust me in two weeks you can get it out of it. And add to this the fact that you will still be retaining your top position .

If I write here may be I will go on and on. Therefore let me tell you the moral of the story. Blackhat cannot die this easily. Just imagine, you saying that the Blackhat is dying appears to me that very soon this entire Digital world would be hacking free. Well that cannot happen. Because things evolve be it your operating system, SEO and what not and there will always be loopholes.

The beauty of today's time is when I started of SEO things were manual but now we have the luxury of automation. You can analyze so much, you can accomplish so much and so fast. The point is keep doing your research, keep your eyes open, have patience and trust me sooner or later you will realize that to what level the Blackhat has evolved now.

Please remember - Selling new stuffs all time is no game, but selling the same stuff again and again is the real game. So learn that art. It's tough but it's not impossible certainly not in SEO.

It is not dying, although it is getting more complicated and expensive.

It's changing I feel like, but a lot of people have been penalized.

is true what you say, but still more profitable the black hat little by little to do white hat total. Since only the fact of buying 1 link is black hat

I think that Google's algorithm is prioritizing other values which are uncontrollable by people trying to use blackhat SEO. Generally if you are going to be doing blackhat SEO, your goal is to push the listing far up by unnaturally linking and promoting it. But the issue is that this is obvious to Google. It's much easier and better to provide real value and then your ranks will naturally go up.

Cant we now just close this totally useless thread?
It became nothing more than a 'post number increaser" pointless topic...

Blackhat as defined from shortcutting the rules search engines want you to take will NEVER die out.
The process might as search engines adapt, but to suggest that the goal of getting to the end game as quick as possible by breaking a few rules has existed since time began.
I started before links meant a fecking thing - there was Blackhat then that had nothing to do with links.
Whether it's meta data, age, presentation, links, content, security, user experience.. all of them - any of them or something completely new - there will always be a way of shortcutting.

I remember when links started the SEO community which existed on places like CompuServe before then thought "Links? How the hell can we get links on someone else's websites? We have no control over someone else's websites!! That's the end of SEO"
And the rest of us adapted, automated and moved on.
The wheel turns.

FORSAK3N said:

google is there to serve the best quality content, that is what built their brand and what continues to allow them dominance ... if a new search engine comes along that provides far superior organic product for people they will switch to it and what will happen to adwords and google in a year?

They are trying to provide the best product for us when we want "cruising motorcycle most comfortable easiest to drive" they do not want a bunch of click bate spam sites ... that will end them. Any other belief is foolish and more reflective of your personal bias vs the market place.

Ad words only exists due to the relevance of organic search and they know it

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Google wants to make money first, last and always; the evidence also suggests that they do not care how as long as it does not bring to much grief to their name.

No, I do not believe that they want the best search results for their customers. Good enough results to stay ahead of any competition. However, not good enough to erode the money from paid search. It looks like Google is struggling with this right now and it is costing them money.

You are right in your last paragraph. That is why Google tolerates free search results, but they do so only because they need it to make their paid search work. If Google finds a way around this little problem…goodbye free search results.

dirtdigger said:

Google wants to make money first, last and always; the evidence also suggests that they do not care how as long as it does not bring to much grief to their name.

No, I do not believe that they want the best search results for their customers. Good enough results to stay ahead of any competition. However, not good enough to erode the money from paid search. It looks like Google is struggling with this right now and it is costing them money.

You are right in your last paragraph. That is why Google tolerates free search results, but they do so only because they need it to make their paid search work. If Google finds a way around this little problem…goodbye free search results.

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no. there will always be free search results because people would get pissed off with shitty ads and would use bing instead. google has much better algo than bing and i doubt it will change.

however they can force smaller companies that cant rank to buy adsense by simply making big authority sites on #1 even if they are not really related to the term

boleklolek said:

It is a serious question, is BLACKHAT SEO dying out slowly? Since begining of this year (2017) its taking even longer than before to see the impact of backlinks and mostly the alghoritms catch up on everything, I'm serious, buying links still works but you have to spend so much $$$ to even move and to get to top 5 is costing enormous amounts of money (for medium - low competition keywords)

Seriously, even low comp keywords are taking soooo long to see any effect and its getting tougher and tougher soon it will come to the point that it will be too expensive to even move to 2nd page and not profitable anymore, which of course is the point of all this.

Google adwords taking so many spaces on 1st page that is it becoming ridicilous, seriously by end of 2018 BLACKHAT SEO might get too expensive except enormous agencies with clients with deep pockets.

What are your thought, seriously Im asking this, don't troll ffs.

Whitehat still works and will work in future, but earning some serious $$ is going to take you eternity.

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Black Hat SEO still goes on, works incredibly well and is making a lot of people money. The drawback is that it goes against all ethical guidelines, damages businesses' reputations, leads to manual penalties and ultimately the blacklisting of thousands of websites. This post covers everything black hat: the good, the bad and the ugly.

Black hat SEO brings thousands of dollars every month to me. I am working in essay niche and confidently can say that it is the most profitable way to promote in education niches, while I don't know how it works in other niches so can't really say anything about it.

Quite simply, No!

As time goes by and I have been working online for some years now, you adapt, change, alter to whatever is going on.

What did shock me though was that many here buy backlinks, I have never, ever paid for a backlink and neither will I.

The problem with blackhat SEO is that you feel like everyone is against you, and it just makes it a lot more difficult in the long run.

I don't think so.

I suppose it has been dying since 2008. But have long it will be alive - pretty hard to say

No. I m trying to use minimum Black method of SEO