aidenhera
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i care, this altogether is too funny to not read it
Is Blackhat SEO dying out? [Serious]
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i care, this altogether is too funny to not read it
donkey-kong
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I wasn't chasing the lad about but since you've asked, the pony told me to use the search more effectively, low and behold I search and he's talking more trollop in another PBN thread offering no help at all, it's like his only tactic is negative seo, what you want me to do, not get fed up reading more spew, that he's ironically sent me searching?
Henry IV
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donkey-kong
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Be reasonable you would of hung, drawn and quartered him for less.
ThopHayt
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Check this out. We created a new site, was organically ranking, not masses of traffic but good quality traffic and generating leads. The domain was a year old, so its taken some time to rank. Anyway, we decided to do some AdWords, check out the analytics below. As soon as this site was exposed to AdWords, the organic rankings dropped. Clear as ever.
So yes, I reckon the days are numbered for SEO with Google as we know it now, until the dominance of Google changes. Until then, its using other methods, Google isn't everything!
One example of SERP rank appearing to drop the same time as it begins Adwords is hardly proof of anything. Reproduce this effect three more times in a row with the same results and we'll talk conspiracy.
I've put dozens of sites on Adwords over the past year as well as managed SEO for many of the sites as well and never seen a coinciding drop as this describes. If I had to guess I'd say this was either bad luck for your site, or going onto Adwords caused Google to probe further into something fishy your site had going on. Also bare in mind that around July 12th there were several days of high update activity for Google. So lots of people around here saw dips that day.
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Dude, let it go. Jeesh.
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Poker Rakeback Mafia
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I'm late to this thread, but here's my honest opinion, for whatever it is worth.
I started seo in 2009 and ranked casino sites with xrumer and made good money. Around 2012 google put an end to that, and I stopped seo.
When I came back to seo in 2016 I read loads of threads on here and had a lot of private conversations with respected members, and followed all of their advice about quality content and PBN's etc, and yes that method works, but it costs a fortune, as the OP said, and I wasn't seeing a decent ROI.
I then started using some GSA spam methods as a last resort before considering quiting SEO again, and I didn't need to quit because the methods that I am using are working, cost very little, and I am getting stable rankings from them.
My conclusion.
Black Hat Seo is alive and well, and actually very easy due to everyone else spending a fortune on quality content and PBN's.
I started seo in 2009 and ranked casino sites with xrumer and made good money. Around 2012 google put an end to that, and I stopped seo.
When I came back to seo in 2016 I read loads of threads on here and had a lot of private conversations with respected members, and followed all of their advice about quality content and PBN's etc, and yes that method works, but it costs a fortune, as the OP said, and I wasn't seeing a decent ROI.
I then started using some GSA spam methods as a last resort before considering quiting SEO again, and I didn't need to quit because the methods that I am using are working, cost very little, and I am getting stable rankings from them.
My conclusion.
Black Hat Seo is alive and well, and actually very easy due to everyone else spending a fortune on quality content and PBN's.
billygood
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Funny, I have to learn how to SEO again, It's been a long while... But it's interesting to see that the same fear still happens. Will blackhat die, nope, just the effectiveness of it, will white hat grow, No, not really, it will just give a bigger boost to those that really spend into the marketing IE: buying custom content, guest blogging, product placement via third parties ( yep that's white hat lol )... it's coming down to whom can field the better resources over a long term.
Based on a tiny study, I checked a keyword phrase from 10 years ago. using a round number, I would get 90K in results, now it's 30MM, that's a huge change. so think like that, you got 30 million web competitors, all want a slice. it's up to you to move up the ranks
Based on a tiny study, I checked a keyword phrase from 10 years ago. using a round number, I would get 90K in results, now it's 30MM, that's a huge change. so think like that, you got 30 million web competitors, all want a slice. it's up to you to move up the ranks
If you could be of help i'll really be happy please
The Google Algorithm is now using Machine Learning within Context.
What this means is that for different keyword phrases the google algorithm uses a different formula to rank!
For some keyword phrases it will give a really high value to links, for other traffic, yet for others bounce rate... and so on.
The only way to game the systemd is to give Google what it really wants = great content.
Your Bounce rate better be below 30%!
And the longer users spend on your site the better.
Ultimately, your site's metrics (bounce rate, traffic, time on site, page views,etc) have to better than all everyone below you!
What this means is that for different keyword phrases the google algorithm uses a different formula to rank!
For some keyword phrases it will give a really high value to links, for other traffic, yet for others bounce rate... and so on.
The only way to game the systemd is to give Google what it really wants = great content.
Your Bounce rate better be below 30%!
And the longer users spend on your site the better.
Ultimately, your site's metrics (bounce rate, traffic, time on site, page views,etc) have to better than all everyone below you!
thatiwudbegood
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I think that investing in PPC like FB ads and Google AdWords is really the only way to go in 2017. At least with ppc you get instant results and targeted results. SEO is dying and only works for the companies that Google wants it to work for
Answers already got above posts.
SEO is everygreen. So black hat is ever green,
Robbing a bank is possible and still people do. Like it used it. Bad never ends plus good never ends
Choose only niches where you belive you can dominate or skip
BreaknBrix
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Google will always have 2 key vulnerabilities:
1) Their own policies. They have to appear open & welcome to new businesses by promoting a radically simplistic & idealistic form of SEO. "Whitehat SEO" reminds me of the term "free markets". Americas never had free markets (said Milton Friedman) much like Googles never had white hat SEO. And Googles algorithm disproportionately rewards dark gray SEO much like Wall Street disproportionately rewards the dark arts of capitalism.
2) Automation. Everytime Google releases a new update I immediately think "blackhat wins again!" Anything that can be forward engineered can be reverse engineered. And from a game theory standpoint, the best Google can do is an eternal stalemate with spammers by waging nonstop updates.
On the other hand, blackhatters have our own vulnerabilities:
1) A skills or resource gap that could explode due to sustained, effective, covert, large scale hybrid attacks on Google from outside countries. This has been going a long time now but as propaganda gets cheaper, information wars intensify, so will spamming and so will counter-offenses that could cut into all our bottomlines.
2) The complete incompetence of free range capitalists and the private sector as a whole to collaborate and work together.
So my overall answer would be that no, blackhat SEO is not dying. But following the collapse of the world economy there's been a collapse of confidence in everything, a brain drain on this forum, a lot of people distracted and a lot of great ideas being chased into the dark because of elitist mindsets and a general suspicion that marketers aren't taking things seriously. Though this thread marks a reversal of that trend lets just hope it continues.
1) Their own policies. They have to appear open & welcome to new businesses by promoting a radically simplistic & idealistic form of SEO. "Whitehat SEO" reminds me of the term "free markets". Americas never had free markets (said Milton Friedman) much like Googles never had white hat SEO. And Googles algorithm disproportionately rewards dark gray SEO much like Wall Street disproportionately rewards the dark arts of capitalism.
2) Automation. Everytime Google releases a new update I immediately think "blackhat wins again!" Anything that can be forward engineered can be reverse engineered. And from a game theory standpoint, the best Google can do is an eternal stalemate with spammers by waging nonstop updates.
On the other hand, blackhatters have our own vulnerabilities:
1) A skills or resource gap that could explode due to sustained, effective, covert, large scale hybrid attacks on Google from outside countries. This has been going a long time now but as propaganda gets cheaper, information wars intensify, so will spamming and so will counter-offenses that could cut into all our bottomlines.
2) The complete incompetence of free range capitalists and the private sector as a whole to collaborate and work together.
So my overall answer would be that no, blackhat SEO is not dying. But following the collapse of the world economy there's been a collapse of confidence in everything, a brain drain on this forum, a lot of people distracted and a lot of great ideas being chased into the dark because of elitist mindsets and a general suspicion that marketers aren't taking things seriously. Though this thread marks a reversal of that trend lets just hope it continues.
I'm a blackhat SEO and I voted Yes. Blackhas SEO in programmatic form has long gone. It works here and there but you won't scale a 100person/100million operation out of it. As soon as you have the ability and the money you will gravitate towards traditional whitehat
dbanjo
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No offence but if you can't turn a massive roi promoting gambling even with high end seo costs then you're doing it wrong. Best guess you're rushing it, it's all about patience and maintaining those big budgets until results happen. Most ppl blink far too early. Spam might be lowing your overheads short term but if you get penalised you're back to square one.
donkey-kong
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I don't post forums much, I'll probably skulk off into the distance for another few years soon but every time I see blast this, scrape that, write me my money site content, where can i spin this, game twitter facebook etc etc and so on, I think cool, my long term future isn't in threat, only a small percentage are doing it right. They are the ones who scare me in my niches, not the noddy who bought an exact match url and ripped to the top only to be gone is 6 months, if that. Don't get me wrong plenty making cash off it, but they don't ever know when it stops. How can you get a mortgage or leverage when you don't know what tomorrow brings.
Poker Rakeback Mafia
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I'm not promoting casino's anymore, but I see your point.
I'm personally finding that as long as your tier one, and to some extent that I won't go in to, your tier two, are ok, then automated spam is still a safe and very powerful tool in seo.