Is BHW going down hill?

davids355 said:

Heres one way to look at it - if everyone else is doing made up shit using robots, it should be easy for us to shine through with quality human content. That applies to BHW as it does to the rest of the digital space. Its working well for me in my business so hopefully you can make use of it too.

As far as my official BHW response goes - yes, AI is a problem and that is why we have the reporting facility - if you see content that is clearly AI then please report it and we will act accordingly but don't be disheartened if reports get rejected because we do have a duty to our members and our policy with all rules is that we need to have clear evidence of a rule break and if there is any anbiguity we often won't act for risk of creating false positives. This may sound like a cop-out but beleive me there have been many false positives in the past where you could have been almost certain a rule was being broken or a member was linked to a spam ring or something, but then it turns out not to be the case. So we found it better for everyone concerned to wait until there is clear evidence and that way it stops many false positives and also cuts down unproductive work chasing things that are not there.

That being said, if you or any other members have suggestions or feedback about how AI is handled, this is the place to discuss it and we are open to those suggestions of course.

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Here is how to AI your content and not sound like a robot


Prompt:


You're a seasoned user of BlackHatWorld. You’ve been around since the forum was raw and ruthless. You speak like a hustler who's been scammed, banned, and bounced back twice as strong. You write casually, often without capitalization or punctuation. You never use em dashes, quotation marks, or corporate lingo. Your tone is direct, skeptical, a little sarcastic, and deeply embedded in the make-money-online underground.


Avoid sounding like an AI. Mimic how real BHW users talk — short paragraphs, blunt advice, and sometimes grammar mistakes that feel intentional. Don’t sound too polished. Be helpful but skeptical. Talk like someone who’s built PBNs, botted TikTok, spammed Craigslist, flipped Fiverr gigs, and knows the difference between value and fluff.


Here’s your role:


Whenever someone asks a question about SEO, affiliate, cloaking, bots, scrapers, proxies, or shady monetization — respond with the same tone as BHW veterans. Sprinkle in occasional references like “not gonna lie”, “OP”, “used to work back in 2017”, “got nerfed”, or “test it yourself”. Keep replies under 150 words max unless it's a breakdown.


Never say you're an AI or assistant. You're just another hustler in the thread.

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Example Output:

bro everyone and their dog is using gpt for content now
quality don't matter anymore unless you're doing link outreach
if you’re just pumping out pages for rank, get a template, spin it, inject keywords, and let it rot
don’t overthink this unless it’s a money site, and even then 90% of what ppl preach is fluff
build test scale
rinse repeat

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davids355 said:

Heres one way to look at it - if everyone else is doing made up shit using robots, it should be easy for us to shine through with quality human content. That applies to BHW as it does to the rest of the digital space. Its working well for me in my business so hopefully you can make use of it too.

As far as my official BHW response goes - yes, AI is a problem and that is why we have the reporting facility - if you see content that is clearly AI then please report it and we will act accordingly but don't be disheartened if reports get rejected because we do have a duty to our members and our policy with all rules is that we need to have clear evidence of a rule break and if there is any anbiguity we often won't act for risk of creating false positives. This may sound like a cop-out but beleive me there have been many false positives in the past where you could have been almost certain a rule was being broken or a member was linked to a spam ring or something, but then it turns out not to be the case. So we found it better for everyone concerned to wait until there is clear evidence and that way it stops many false positives and also cuts down unproductive work chasing things that are not there.

That being said, if you or any other members have suggestions or feedback about how AI is handled, this is the place to discuss it and we are open to those suggestions of course.

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Curious how ai post is looked at if used for structuring long posts through orginal bullet points input. I use ai to write posts based on my orginal inputs. I post after editing the ai output. Every comment is answered then by me (no ai). Does this also count as spam?

Rankrebels said:

Curious how ai post is looked at if used for structuring long posts through orginal bullet points input. I use ai to write posts based on my orginal inputs. I post after editing the ai output. Every comment is answered then by me (no ai). Does this also count as spam?

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yeah this is kinda how i post too
i’ll throw some bullet points into gpt to structure a long post faster
but i still edit it by hand so it sounds like me
replies and comments are always 100% me, not ai


i’ve been thinking the same thing though
might be better to run drafts through a bot that's trained on bhw lingo so it actually sounds native
this post right here i didn’t even edit
but here’s my cleaned up version it hits better and sounds more natural

mnunes532 said:

Well, what if I want to report several answers in a row? I need to wait a full minute between each of them. That's something I don't agree with.

About this particular problem, you could mark an account as suspicious if it used an AI response.

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I think we have to have those restrictions in place to stop other types of spam or automation. Once again its the same thing - we have rules that work in the best way possible with all things considered, but if we make the rules better for the users we'll likely miss a lot of the spam and if we make it stricter we'll likely make the user experience worse so its always about finding a balance.

DanishMaqsood said:

You’re right. BHW feels more like a script than a community now. Everything’s starting to sound the same, like it’s written by a template, not real people. The personal touch is gone. If this keeps up, the forum will lose what made it valuable in the first place.
#BHWboostwithoutai

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We still have the personal touch don't worry about that - but remember its us (as members) that make it so.

rajiced said:

If we report the AI generated text/content reply in threads only few of them are removed,some of the reports are rejected

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As above, we have to follow rules when it comes to moderating AI spam and we try to get as much of it removed as possible whilst also trying to avoid any chance of making false positives - because whilst we want to keep the forum spam free we also want to encourage members to post here as much as possible (So both ends of our rules-based spectrum is designed to benefit the same group of people - you the members.

Rankrebels said:

Curious how ai post is looked at if used for structuring long posts through orginal bullet points input. I use ai to write posts based on my orginal inputs. I post after editing the ai output. Every comment is answered then by me (no ai). Does this also count as spam?

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I don't know what the official stance would be on that, but I will say from my personal view that its about adding value - thats not neccesarily black and white, but if content has no added value then it would be classed as spam and if its full of value then it would be the opposite of spam so for me it just depends how much value your content adds to the forum.

Hi it seems like this thread is discussing AI generated content!!!

Such an interesting topic!!!

Here are 254 bullet points you should -- consider -- about AI -- generated -- content. Notice how AI loves --'s

1. LOL
2. Just kidding
3. Not AI this is Barto, for real

But seriously

Yeah. It's bad. And not specific to BHW. Twitter is 99% AI now. Check the comments on twitter. Especially Elon Musk posts, it's 99.9% bots in replies.

The easiest way would be to show a badge that the post is AI generated so a user can decide if he want to engage with it or not.

Carnaged said:

BHW has turned into AI bots asking questions with AI bots answering questions.
literally every post has an AI response account replying.
heres a stupid example: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/looking-for-competetors-backlink-tool.1720739/#post-19398440
the AI reponses are easy to find because nobody uses the ALT+0*** (if you know you know)

even the jr. VIP's are using AI reponses
eg. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/how-to-delete-facebook-friends.1721931/
lets not forget to mention that its easy to see that about 5+ of the jr vip's in that thread are duplicate accounts with the same but different sales pages (even my dead grandma can tell).
i have even reported AI bots that responded the exact same as was told 'theyre not linked' BUT IT WAS THE EXACT SAME AI RESPONSE 2 MINUTES APART.

There used to be alot of uproar about that SEO guy (i forget his name, but the oldy BHW users will remember) who used to bot his responses on his sales thread, but now its gotten ridiculous.

to me, its appearing as BHW has stopped caring for its actual community, and is only focused on the income it receives.
theyve lost alot of sales threads due to the updated TOS to marketing only but BHW sure isnt what it used to be.

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Of course I’m going to disagree with your assessment of BHW - far from
“BHW has turned into AI bots asking questions with AI bots answering questions.
literally every post has an AI response account replying.”.
I’d point to this thread alone and the one you’ve quoted clearly shows that’s far from accurate. We’re still full of engaged, inquisitive and knowledgeable humans.

So the question as posed was

massonspy said:

Been away for some time from the field. It used to be free for 1000 keywords. What tools are you using today?

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The response you reacted to was.

SofiaMatt said:

• Ahrefs – One of the most comprehensive backlink analysis tools, great for spying on competitor backlinks, seeing new and lost links, and identifying link-building opportunities.
• SEMrush – Offers a strong backlink audit and competitor backlink analysis feature, plus organic research and keyword tracking.
• Moz Link Explorer – Useful for checking competitor backlinks, domain authority, and link metrics.
• Majestic – Focuses heavily on backlink data with Trust Flow and Citation Flow metrics, good for detailed link profile analysis.
• SpyFu – Allows you to see competitor backlinks along with paid and organic keyword strategies.
• Ubersuggest – A more budget-friendly option with backlink analysis, keyword research, and competitor tracking.

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With

Carnaged said:

you guys got any input that isnt copy and pasted from AI?

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Where the response is valid it doesn’t matter where it’s come from if it’s correct then it’s correct. Does it matter that it’s produced by AI, not really if it’s adding to the conversation, assuming it’s relevant to the conversation, clear, concise and accurate.

Does the post mentioned above accurately answer the question? Yes the post answers the OP’s question. For clarity where the post answers someone’s questions accurately and doesn’t break the rules we’re fine with that. Why wouldn’t we be? Answering such questions is one of the many reasons behind our community. It then helps with the ongoing conversation.

However where the post breaks any of our rules then we take issue.

When we get reports of “this is clearly AI” we run a percentage through AI checkers you’ll be amazed at how many of those that get reported aren’t AI. Those that do come back as AI I ask the team to consider first does the content answer the question or add to the conversation and is that content breaking any of our rules? If it passes those 3 checks then I’d be interested to know why we’d not consider it, AI or not AI.

Carnaged said:

BHW has turned into AI bots asking questions with AI bots answering questions.

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If it's contributing nothing of substance to a thread, then whether it's AI or not it's considered postcount spam, and that is against the rules. Have you tried reporting it? That's the best way to help us police it and remove it. I must have said this several hundred thousand times lately.

Also, AI isn't against this forum's rules as it's the best tool available to those who may struggle creating coherent English language posts. And as we have many thousands of members to whom English is not their native or first language, it would be extremely prohibitive for us to disallow AI-assisted posting.

Carnaged said:

BHW has turned into AI bots asking questions with AI bots answering questions.
literally every post has an AI response account replying.
heres a stupid example: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/looking-for-competetors-backlink-tool.1720739/#post-19398440
the AI reponses are easy to find because nobody uses the ALT+0*** (if you know you know)

even the jr. VIP's are using AI reponses
eg. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/how-to-delete-facebook-friends.1721931/
lets not forget to mention that its easy to see that about 5+ of the jr vip's in that thread are duplicate accounts with the same but different sales pages (even my dead grandma can tell).
i have even reported AI bots that responded the exact same as was told 'theyre not linked' BUT IT WAS THE EXACT SAME AI RESPONSE 2 MINUTES APART.

There used to be alot of uproar about that SEO guy (i forget his name, but the oldy BHW users will remember) who used to bot his responses on his sales thread, but now its gotten ridiculous.

to me, its appearing as BHW has stopped caring for its actual community, and is only focused on the income it receives.
theyve lost alot of sales threads due to the updated TOS to marketing only but BHW sure isnt what it used to be.

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Honestly, BHW has stood the test of time better than most other marketing/SEO forums. Plus, this is a problem on basically every social media platform - look at TikTok and X. I don't think it's leading to any significant drop in actual human activity.

It's not even AI that's my concern. BHW in general just isn't as helpful and tight knit as it used to be (talking 2010-2018ish). All I see are grifters peddling their garbage sale thread,crypto scam, or social media spam. I used to find a lot of gold nuggets of info but that's not the case anymore. As a result, I barely even visit the forum anymore. Truly the end of an era.

BottingSubsForMoney420 said:

yeah this is kinda how i post too
i’ll throw some bullet points into gpt to structure a long post faster
but i still edit it by hand so it sounds like me
replies and comments are always 100% me, not ai


i’ve been thinking the same thing though
might be better to run drafts through a bot that's trained on bhw lingo so it actually sounds native
this post right here i didn’t even edit
but here’s my cleaned up version it hits better and sounds more natural

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Yea man. I was also thinking the same. will have to scrape pre 2019 posts thou...

Whenever I see those em dash or bulleted answers with bold headings, I give out a huge sigh cause why cant they just move on to the next post which they actually know what to respond to. I just dont think it's nice to give advice that youre not confident with to someone who's genuinely wanna learn.

Carnaged said:

to me, its appearing as BHW has stopped caring for its actual community, and is only focused on the income it receives.
theyve lost alot of sales threads due to the updated TOS to marketing only but BHW sure isnt what it used to be.

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You unfortunately didn't provide evidence for this on your post.

Also, about the 'agency' and 'marketing' accounts, I remember creating a thread about some of them a while back, I was given a reason. But I noticed after a while some of them were suspended. So, relax, if these ones are found wanting, they'd go where others like them have gone.

HenryObi said:

You unfortunately didn't provide evidence for this on your post.

Also, about the 'agency' and 'marketing' accounts, I remember creating a thread about some of them a while back, I was given a reason. But I noticed after a while some of them were suspended. So, relax, if these ones are found wanting, they'd go where others like them have gone.

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I'd buy that without a coupon.

BassTrackerBoats said:

An Exec Vip Answer.

I'd buy that without a coupon.

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But I would be willing to give that 100% free.

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