Now you made my day
For the sake of truth (if you know what truth is), I didn't tell I have "important things to do on my plate". I only told I have better things to do than to argue with a
"computer scientist" of your level.
Is anyone upgrading to windows 10?
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For the sake of truth (if you know what truth is), I didn't tell I have "important things to do on my plate". I only told I have better things to do than to argue with a
"computer scientist" of your level.
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Now you made my day
For the sake of truth (if you know what truth is), I didn't tell I have "important things to do on my plate". I only told I have better things to do than to argue with a
"computer scientist" of your level.
Now you're just spewing up garbage semantics and trying to take blind stabs. I recognize people near my level of knowledge. This isn't even a difficult matter to analyze and anyone learned in computer security would agree with my original statements. You either aren't one of them, you have an alternative agenda, or you're just plain thickheaded and ignorant. I don't care which and if you'd like to present some data contrary to my original statements I defy you to do so.
Edit: I like how you take little snippets out of my posts rather than quoting the whole thing too. It's very mainstream media of you, stick.
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I don't have any reason to present anything, I really don't care what you think. My only issue is I don't like cocky persons, that's all.
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Wow, I give everyone a relevant, helpful, and informed post. Then you come along and start falsely attacking it and me personally with baseless statements and I'm the cocky person? Try again. You might not want to accept that someone might know more than you about something but sorry, that's reality. I doubt I'm the most learned computer scientist in the entirety of Earth but I know what I'm talking about in this topic. This is child's play for me. That's not being cocky, it's just the truth. I could be temporarily bested in some areas but those areas are extremely technical and this conversation doesn't hold a candle to them. I'd be willing to admit I could be wrong if I didn't 100% know that in this case I'm not.
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I installed a few days ago. I'm really impressed. Only a bad thing is that there's a few program compatibility issues - teamviewer and live drive being two.
Good job from MS though. I agree with above - all of their OS are good, but they do go good/better/good/better. IE windows vista was slow and improved lots in windows 7, same from 8 to 10.
one thing you have to respect about MS though is that they push boundaries - that's why they are always testing and changing IMHO.
Good job from MS though. I agree with above - all of their OS are good, but they do go good/better/good/better. IE windows vista was slow and improved lots in windows 7, same from 8 to 10.
one thing you have to respect about MS though is that they push boundaries - that's why they are always testing and changing IMHO.
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Windows 10 isn't slower, lots of people that properly set it up are getting faster boot times compared to older versions.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/2udv8y/what_are_your_windows_10_boot_times/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/2udv8y/what_are_your_windows_10_boot_times/
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Boot time wasn't where the speed issues have been calculated. It's only a slight speed decrease anyway as indicated in benchmarks.
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Then what are the speed issues? You keep posting some vague things about windows 10 instead of giving examples and links.
I cannot tell if it boots faster than 8.1, but the programs are apparently loaded faster.
And compatibility wise, I didn't encounter any problem. All the programs I tried worked fine (antivirus, Photoshop, Delphi, Dreamweaver, OpenOffice, compilers etc.).
And compatibility wise, I didn't encounter any problem. All the programs I tried worked fine (antivirus, Photoshop, Delphi, Dreamweaver, OpenOffice, compilers etc.).
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My main concern in posting here was security, privacy, compatibility, and reliability but I did see that benchmark. It might have even been on one of the Microsoft sites. I'm sure there are several out there. I'll see if I can dig it up but the decrease I saw was marginal and not much to worry about.
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Alright, as for speed I can't find the last benchmark I saw but the most recent ones that can easily be found show the same thing. So basically, you've got windows 8 and 10 both sort of neck and neck. 8 outperforms 10 in some areas and in other areas it's the other way around. The article I was referring to mentioned 10 as just a bit slower overall. Well that depends on what you're benchmarking. For instance, http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/07/30/windows-10-vs-windows-8-1-gaming-benchmark-comparison-which-os-grants-better-performance/
That shows marginal increases and decreases in some areas. Some sites show 10 slightly better overall, some slightly worse. So in the case of performance, I'd say that any difference is marginal; however, things like security and privacy implications are far more important (To me at least) and so that's been my main focus in comparison. If you search Google as in something like: https://www.google.com/#q=windows 10 benchmark
or https://www.google.com/#q=windows+10+benchmark+%228.1%22
You'll see that some benchmarks show vectors for and some against but all are, like I said, marginal. The security implications of a new Windows version are never marginal though and 10 is especially worrisome by design. It's been my decision to hold off but if you're going ahead with it just try to be safe. Sandbox your browser if you can, use things like noscript, and run a robust antivirus and firewall program such as ESET Smart Security or Avast's security suite (Which comes with sandboxing). Even with those measures I would wait for several months of updates to the OS and possible ways of mitigating some of the privacy issues without losing functionality but of course how long you wait is up to how much risk you're willing to take. Most people who are at least a bit security conscious will wait at least a few months but again, up to you.
That shows marginal increases and decreases in some areas. Some sites show 10 slightly better overall, some slightly worse. So in the case of performance, I'd say that any difference is marginal; however, things like security and privacy implications are far more important (To me at least) and so that's been my main focus in comparison. If you search Google as in something like: https://www.google.com/#q=windows 10 benchmark
or https://www.google.com/#q=windows+10+benchmark+%228.1%22
You'll see that some benchmarks show vectors for and some against but all are, like I said, marginal. The security implications of a new Windows version are never marginal though and 10 is especially worrisome by design. It's been my decision to hold off but if you're going ahead with it just try to be safe. Sandbox your browser if you can, use things like noscript, and run a robust antivirus and firewall program such as ESET Smart Security or Avast's security suite (Which comes with sandboxing). Even with those measures I would wait for several months of updates to the OS and possible ways of mitigating some of the privacy issues without losing functionality but of course how long you wait is up to how much risk you're willing to take. Most people who are at least a bit security conscious will wait at least a few months but again, up to you.
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I was really hating on Windows 10 before I installed it. Now when I tried it myself I love it!
You can shut everything off in Privacy and it's not that bad as I imagined it to be. People scared me with that Pricacy thing, but it's the same as Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
You can use cracked software, everyting is the same. People will use it sooner or later, so why wait?
And there wasn't any ads or anything, people just over dramatize things.
You can shut everything off in Privacy and it's not that bad as I imagined it to be. People scared me with that Pricacy thing, but it's the same as Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
You can use cracked software, everyting is the same. People will use it sooner or later, so why wait?
And there wasn't any ads or anything, people just over dramatize things.
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I was really hating on Windows 10 before I installed it. Now when I tried it myself I love it!
You can shut everything off in Privacy and it's not that bad as I imagined it to be. People scared me with that Pricacy thing, but it's the same as Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
You can use cracked software, everyting is the same. People will use it sooner or later, so why wait?
And there wasn't any ads or anything, people just over dramatize things.
The problem is that Windows doesn't always honor those settings you switch off. At least in 8.1 you'll notice this happen. Switch off everything privacy related and many of the processes related to those settings will still keep running and will still report information back to Microsoft. I can't speak specifically for Windows 10 in that regard but I wouldn't be surprised if similar things take place. As for security of a new OS in general though, reference what I said just before your post in judging that. There will certainly be a multitude of security updates coming down the pipe in the coming months. That's where the main security and privacy issues arise for me not even taking into account the privacy policy & settings issues.
I'm not trying to spread fear, just information that people aren't always aware of.
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Just don't use onedrive or cortana and that will keep your data safe from microsoft.
Are you really recommending those 2 AVS? As you're a computer scientist, do you know that ESET had huge problems few good years with a simple instruction like
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pminsw xmm0,xmm1ESET and AVAST aren't hard to bypass, IMHO. But, of course, you're the security specialist.
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You're right, they aren't hard to bypass from time to time as they wind up with security vulnerabilities that need patching like any other software. I can't very well recommend some iptables management software for Windows now can I? And the Win firewall is the first thing to be targeted. I've been able to code my way around it before which was incredibly simple at the time I did it but what would you suggest for a typical end user? Norton? Mcafee? Kaspersky? ClamAV? Take your pick but you'll still be faced with the same issue which is that in all likelihood they all have some unpublished vulnerabilities. The sandboxing and noscript advice will likely protect you more than anything else (And there are ways around sandboxing sometimes too) but it's good to have an antivirus and firewall as well. I'm sure the ESET problem you mentioned has since been fixed. There's always an elevated risk with Windows and the main point to my advice with 10 is just that the beginning of the distro is the least safe place to be.
Please excuse me. I have a date with Battlestar Galactica and Penny Dreadful.
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Wouldn't the best defense to be to just not fuck around with pirated software and crap websites?
The best defense is to be wary of everything. And sometimes it's not enough
There are vulnerabilities that cannot be avoided. I remember a Yahoo vulnerability some years ago, all you had to do was to open an email (without clicking any link etc.).- Status