IP rotation vs. Proxies

My knowledge of proxies is pretty limited to just the little research that I have done since being a member here on BHW.

I have learned enough to know that proxies are either...

1) free, unreliable, blacklisted.

or

2) an expensive recurring fee (overhead) for working and exclusive.


So as an alternative, and for the purposes of things like creating gmail accounts, DL posting and the like, I have learned that resetting your IP (DSL modem is simple to do) is effective.

What I would like clarification on is how easy is it for someone to trace my location (physical address) if I am simply rotating my IP address at my modem.

Incidentally the portion of my IP address that is changed is only up to the C block. A and B remain the same.

My guess is that proxies are infinitely more safe as far as covering tracks. I would just like to know what is would take to trace me with the above example.


Thanks.


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Who is the isp that you use for DSL?

its most likely verizon ...im hearing there pretty good

"Incidentally the portion of my IP address that is changed is only up to the C block. A and B remain the same."

Thanks for this.

So even DSl can only go so far in making IPs unique

"Safe" is a relative term here. If you're doing something that will cause people to come looking for you, it doesn't make any sense to use a dsl modem as it's still going to route back to your location. They can just call up your ISP and they'll give you up right away.

The benefit of proxy services is that you are not connected to them.

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apekillape said:

"Safe" is a relative term here. If you're doing something that will cause people to come looking for you, it doesn't make any sense to use a dsl modem as it's still going to route back to your location. They can just call up your ISP and they'll give you up right away.

The benefit of proxy services is that you are not connected to them.

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So for complete anonymity say for hosting, I would sign up using a proxy and then every time I connected to that server I should only do so through a proxy. Is that correct?

thanks

What are you doing?

If you are using your own connection to conduct illegal (or such activities which the 3rd party would wish to trace back to you) then any co-operative ISP will give your details in a matter of minutes. They probably have a database full of who had what IP at what time, for easy tracing.

The advantages of rotating are obviously speed and reliability. The downside, as you've discovered, is your IP doesn't change by "a lot", by that I mean anything more than a class C. The smarter companies (= Google) also lock down on ISP/network/geographical regisrations as well as per-IP, for this exact reason.

Rotating by IP is fine for something small like mass registrations per IP, but definitely not spamming or anything that breaks the law (or even the grey areas).

Hope this makes sense

number101 said:

So for complete anonymity say for hosting, I would sign up using a proxy and then every time I connected to that server I should only do so through a proxy. Is that correct?

thanks

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Yes, that'd be correct. The main problem you have with that is you are severely limited to using their web-based control panel, any connections via Email (POP, SMTP), FTP, SCP, SSH will give out your real IP if you are only using a basic HTTP proxy.

Signing up would provide a hurdle too. Fraud modules would block your details if it detected a proxy for security reasons, and if the proxy was free, they may even log your PayPal/credit card details for abuse later on.

orangejuice said:

If you are using your own connection to conduct illegal (or such activities which the 3rd party would wish to trace back to you) then any co-operative ISP will give your details in a matter of minutes. They probably have a database full of who had what IP at what time, for easy tracing.

The advantages of rotating are obviously speed and reliability. The downside, as you've discovered, is your IP doesn't change by "a lot", by that I mean anything more than a class C. The smarter companies (= Google) also lock down on ISP/network/geographical regisrations as well as per-IP, for this exact reason.

Rotating by IP is fine for something small like mass registrations per IP, but definitely not spamming or anything that breaks the law (or even the grey areas).

Hope this makes sense

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Great information. Thanks.

I figured most of the big picture, but desired to hear from someone with a lot more experience than myself.

What I am really finding is that to do mass posting and emailing completely anonymous is really cost prohibitive. Exclusive private proxies are $$$.

Although I am only setting up e-whoring and not spamming, I have read about the illegality of posting as someone other than yourself. I am purposefully in the mid set of being 'paranoid' just to learn, fully understand, and minimize my risk.

Thanks again for your insight. Thanks given.

@MikeHustle - (e-whoring) just looking to scale up to auto post and auto respond through a server. Grey stuff, but I need to understand deeply just what my risks are.



Number 101

Number101:

I wouldn't worry too much about CL knocking on your door, and serving you papers.

Here's what they say about impersonating another party:

NOTICE - If you continue with this posting, you understand and agree that:

1. if craigslist believes that you impersonated someone by posting an ad in their name, or with their contact information, without their explicit consent, you authorize craigslist to release any and all information about you to the victim, and
2. if craigslist's actual damages cannot be reasonably determined in a court of law, you agree that you will pay craigslist liquidated damages of $1,000 for each such violation of our Terms of Use.

The above doesn't put ewhores in jeopardy, and I doubt that this NOTICE would stand up as a contract. The person that is being impersonated has more of a case against you than CL, and even so, you would probably not be sued. In torts they have what is called the law of the deep pockets: You sue the person with the most amount of money, and fortunately that is not any of us.

As a safety precaution, I always use pictures of women who do not reside in the US.

Now as far as emailing people in the spam sense of email marketing... Get over to the email marketing section, or better yet google can-spam, so that you will know the laws and how to abide by them.

BTW fk CL!!!

TY sir.

I will tackle can-spam.


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limok:
You had to dig out a 3 month old thread about "iprotation vs proxies" to ask this question ?