IOTA - People don't recognize that the future is right here

r3L4x said:

Okey explain my everything big "expert"

You said IOTA is true definition of a bubble. Then you say I didn't said anything wrong. From my understand you just said that IOTA it is big bubble, everybody is morons because they are investing in some not worth double that it will blast anytime and we all gonna lose money.

And no IOTA will not gonna make my millionaire, I have steady income, I have 8 websites and one shop. But spending few hundreds on IOTA it is nothing, better than spending 18k and losing 3 in one night on bitcoin.

Yes I don't understand basics of counting, I just watch in stars and predict future. I'm following bitcoin from beginning, I mined Litecoins when it whose 12 dollars, now I exchange my Litecoins to IOTAS. You must understand few things:

1) IOTA`s all are mined, their price will gonna go up because of limited number of them in market
2) They work 700 times faster than other cryptos
3) Developers not some shady dudes
4) Super strong companies invest in them

At the end I don't have time arguing with you. Everybody have their opinion.

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Then you say I didn't said anything wrong.- I never said this! I said yes i think its a bubble = over valued company! I did not say you are stupid for buying it cause i dont know how much you bought in on IOTA. IOTA has value but not 13 billions value! I am not saying it is worth ZERO and you will all lose your money. I am say it is worth a lot less than 13 billion dollars. Let me repeat again. IOTA has a value but that value is alot less than 13 billion dollars to me. Maybe you bought IOTA at $1 then very good for you.

I have friends asking me how do i buy IOTA. Look at the guy in the last post for example! Because Bitcoin is in the news for goin to $15000 and IOTA is in the news at $4, people suddenly think IOTA can make them rich. Buy at $4 and it will be worth $100 or $1000 or $15000 in next few months!! But simple maths done correctly means if IOTA shoots up to $100 tomorrow or next few months means it will become the biggest company in the world!! Bigger than Microsoft, Apple, Samsung etc etc.

People that buy BTC should be doing so as an investment. BTC at $18,000 today is a good investment if this time next year BTC goes up to $25000 or even $50000. So if the price drops, no you did not lose $3k unless you actually sell at $15k. But if you buy with plans to hold for 1 to 5 years, then well it will be a good investment.

Now if you think IOTA is soon going to be $100 an the biggest company in the world, then good luck to you and your prediction, since i could be wrong and IOTA will indeed be bigger than Apple and Microsoft next year.

drogon said:

But simple maths done correctly means if IOTA shoots up to $100 tomorrow or next few months means it will become the biggest company in the world!! Bigger than Microsoft, Apple, Samsung etc etc.

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Simple math done correctly would mean that IOTA at a price of 100$ would have a market cap of around 31% of Apple. To be the company with the biggest market capitalization in the world the price of one (M)IOTA needs to rise to at least ~310 $

drogon said:

I am saying that the people that say BTC is a bubble are wrong because it is a working product (yes it has faults)

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The existence of a working product is actually a really bad proof that something is not a bubble. The definition of a bubble is that the price of something is much higher than its intrinsic value. Just because Bitcoin is a product does not make it worth 15k dollar or even more. I strongly believe that bitcoin is a bubble because:

drogon said:

(yes it has faults)

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But this bubble does not have to burst soon. Right now more and more money is pumped into the market and I guess only a small percentage of the investors right now still understands the technology and core concepts of Bitcoins. It's just a speculative investment asset right now. As soon as this race to the top with more and more money from new investors will end and the focus shifts to Bitcoins real value and the technology, a price corrections is inevitable in my opinion.

Sent a request to Poloniex and another exchange. I hope they accept

issorc said:

Simple math done correctly would mean that IOTA at a price of 100$ would have a market cap of around 31% of Apple. To be the company with the biggest market capitalization in the world the price of one (M)IOTA needs to rise to at least ~310 $

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You are right. just checked Apple's current vallue and has already gone up alot since the last time i checked!! Good luck to those who own the coin to getting to $100 then!

drogon said:

You are right. just checked Apple's current value and has already gone up a lot since the last time i checked!! Good luck to those who own the coin to getting to $100 then!

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IOTA like every other crypto have no real value, yet - that's true. However we buy it because have potential for both usability and as investment. Sure IOTA may not go up 20x and get at $100 per coin, but the chances that IOTA go to say $30-50 in next year or so are WAY bigger than BTC to go up to $100-150k for the same time period, don't you think? Is it bubble? Sure as hell at the moment. But this doesn't mean that will not have real value in the future, and that's why we put money there.

issorc and Iknowsomethings Thats what I`m talking, I think it is bigger possibility IOTA to rize 30-100, then Bitcoin to 30-50k. Because there is many people that don`t have 20-30k to invest. They invest in cheaper cripto, this why IOTA makes special and that why many new cryptos goes to 200-500 usd, basically any person can spend 500 - 700$ for investment. More investment more grow.

It is so big difference 15 000 - 35 000$ from 25 - 75$ and point is to buy and forget about IOTA.

r3L4x said:

issorc and Iknowsomethings Thats what I`m talking, I think it is bigger possibility IOTA to rize 30-100, then Bitcoin to 30-50k. Because there is many people that don`t have 20-30k to invest. They invest in cheaper cripto, this why IOTA makes special and that why many new cryptos goes to 200-500 usd, basically any person can spend 500 - 700$ for investment. More investment more grow.

It is so big difference 15 000 - 35 000$ from 25 - 75$ and point is to buy and forget about IOTA.

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you know, that you also can buy 0,000001 BTC? So people with less investment budget than 15k$ can still invest in BTC (have to - to buy IOTA anyway)
So i'ts not a big difference from my point of view.

InstaEd said:

you know, that you also can buy 0,000001 BTC? So people with less investment budget than 15k$ can still invest in BTC (have to - to buy IOTA anyway)
So i'ts not a big difference from my point of view.

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Its not about how much you can buy, but the potential for growth, mate.

r3L4x said:

issorc and Iknowsomethings Thats what I`m talking, I think it is bigger possibility IOTA to rize 30-100, then Bitcoin to 30-50k. Because there is many people that don`t have 20-30k to invest. They invest in cheaper cripto, this why IOTA makes special and that why many new cryptos goes to 200-500 usd, basically any person can spend 500 - 700$ for investment. More investment more grow.

It is so big difference 15 000 - 35 000$ from 25 - 75$ and point is to buy and forget about IOTA.

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Like @InstaEd said, you can buy satoshis so your point makes no sense.

Iknowsomethings said:

Its not about how much you can buy, but the potential for growth, mate.

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Are you seriously stating that bitcoin doesn't have a potential for growth in dec 2017?

Iknowsomethings said:

Its not about how much you can buy, but the potential for growth, mate.

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I know. And I also think it has more potential.
But my post was about this:
" Because there is many people that don`t have 20-30k to invest. They invest in cheaper cripto, this why IOTA makes special and that why many new cryptos goes to 200-500 usd, basically any person can spend 500 - 700$ for investment. More investment more grow."

Edit: @Brian Alexander Thanks and definitely it has the potential!

Brian Alexander You can invest in Bitcoin 500, what you will get 800-900? My one friend invested in bitcoin 300 and bragged that he made 70 euros...

All other criptos rizing, ETH rized, LTC rising, basically all criptos is rising because more and more people know about criptos. If other criptos got to 100$ without partners IOTA will get there as well, because it have support.

BDW: Bitcoin 13 500, congrats whu both full bitcoin 3 days back, you lost 4500$, It is nearly 1k IOTAS.

r3L4x said:

Brian Alexander You can invest in Bitcoin 500, what you will get 800-900? My one friend invested in bitcoin 300 and bragged that he made 70 euros...

All other criptos rizing, ETH rized, LTC rising, basically all criptos is rising because more and more people know about criptos. If other criptos got to 100$ without partners IOTA will get there as well, because it have support.

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OFC they will rise, but it has nothing to do with the Coin price. All about the market cap. Doesn't matter if a coin costs 100k USD or 0,00005 USD if the market cap is the same.

BTW: IOTA 100$ = ~280billion USD market cap
BTC has atm ~ 240 billion USD cap

Hope this comes true

Brian Alexander said:

Like @InstaEd said, you can buy satoshis so your point makes no sense.



Are you seriously stating that bitcoin doesn't have a potential for growth in dec 2017?

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I am not saying that BTC doesnt have potential for growth. I am saying that IOTA have more potential than BTC. Like if you invest 100 bucks in BTC now you hardly can expect 300% ROI in a year, while with IOTA 500% wont be much of surprise. Of course that just my opinion and the market can prove me wrong.

r3L4x said:

Brian Alexander You can invest in Bitcoin 500, what you will get 800-900? My one friend invested in bitcoin 300 and bragged that he made 70 euros...

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Making up random numbers with zero context doesn't seem like much of an argument.
Saying your friend made 70 EUR makes no sense when you don't state how long he invested.
If he had invested 300 in january he'd have 6 grand now.
So yea, I truly don't get your point.

Iknowsomethings said:

I am not saying that BTC doesnt have potential for growth. I am saying that IOTA have more potential than BTC. Like if you invest 100 bucks in BTC now you hardly can expect 300% ROI in a year, while with IOTA 500% wont be much of surprise.

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What the hell are you talking about?!?
Bitcoin has literally increased from 750 to 15000 usd during 2017. That's a 2000% increase.

Iknowsomethings said:

Of course that just my opinion and the market can prove me wrong.

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Yea, it is just your opinion, and the market has already proven you wrong son.

drogon said:

Mate, no need for personal insults! especially when you dont even understand the question / issue i am raising. As i already said i am a crypto investor myself. I did NOT say i know better than those companies....and i did NOT say IOTA has zero value. i am saying is the company worth Billions of dollars just because it has partnerships with no final product?? Simple question, which i guess you cannot even understand the concept of a simple question and feel the need to insult me!!

And i am not saying BTC is better than IOTA or even comparing the two. I am saying that the people that say BTC is a bubble are wrong because it is a working product (yes it has faults)...and did you even read my comment in brackets in my original post??

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Some people have to much enthusiasm and get carried away, i agree there is no need for insults, its a discussion thread after all.

To answer your question, i would recommend you do a little reaserch about JINN and whats the connection to IOTA and the big Q announcement. Than you`ll understand why IOTA is the choice of so many big companies for collaboration, and what the future holds for alts as well as for IOTA.
There is a reason behind the high price of iota on that much coins in circulation.

Let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers.

r3L4x said:

issorc and Iknowsomethings Thats what I`m talking, I think it is bigger possibility IOTA to rize 30-100, then Bitcoin to 30-50k. Because there is many people that don`t have 20-30k to invest. They invest in cheaper cripto, this why IOTA makes special and that why many new cryptos goes to 200-500 usd, basically any person can spend 500 - 700$ for investment. More investment more grow.

It is so big difference 15 000 - 35 000$ from 25 - 75$ and point is to buy and forget about IOTA.

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Since you are so active in defending IOTA and saying it has potential.

I am really interested why DO YOU think IOTA has potential ? Because you heard some contracts with big companies or ?

Really interested in your answer.

All i know about this iota... they are spamming every forum and livechat on the internet recently. I suspect probably this OP is part of this spamming group.

If you don't believe me..... look at the next Tai Lopez livestream.

virtualpurity said:

Since you are so active in defending IOTA and saying it has potential.

I am really interested why DO YOU think IOTA has potential ? Because you heard some contracts with big companies or ?

Really interested in your answer.

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It's been mentioned briefly in previous posts. First, it's backed by great companies like Microsoft. Second, it can't be mined. Third, no transaction fees, unlike BTC. There's other reason but those are the top 3 for the reason I invested.

Brian Alexander said:

Making up random numbers with zero context doesn't seem like much of an argument.
What the hell are you talking about?!?
Bitcoin has literally increased from 750 to 15000 usd during 2017. That's a 2000% increase.

Yea, it is just your opinion, and the market has already proven you wrong son.

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So BTC growth by 2000% in 2017 this means it has the potential to grew by another 1000% in 2018? Sure.l Also Bitcoin at the start of 2017 cost about $1000. Now is about $13 000. Thats 1300%. IOTA just 5 months (when was released) ago was $0.36 - now is $4.20. You tell me which crypto growth was stronger. So ,no markets did not prove me wrong, at least not yet.

virtualpurity said:

Since you are so active in defending IOTA and saying it has potential.

I am really interested why DO YOU think IOTA has potential ? Because you heard some contracts with big companies or ?

Really interested in your answer.

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Its pretty simple actually:
1. Free transactions. That`s especially important when you want to make micro transactions - ever tried to pay $0.02 with credit card?
2. The more IOTA is used, the faster the transactions are. This means that is quite useful for transactions between gazillion of things - that's what the purpose of this cryptro is.
3. Purely from investors point of view - IOTA still doesn't have a good wallet, some of the biggest exchanges did not offer it, yet. Once there is a wallet and more exchanges start offering IOTA the price will jump. I am in for the money. So i bid on this one.

Iknowsomethings said:

So BTC growth by 2000% in 2017 this means it has the potential to grew by another 1000% in 2018? Sure.l Also Bitcoin at the start of 2017 cost about $1000. Now is about $13 000. Thats 1300%. IOTA just 5 months (when was released) ago was $0.36 - now is $4.20. You tell me which crypto growth was stronger. So ,no markets did not prove me wrong, at least not yet.



Its pretty simple actually:
1. Free transactions. That`s especially important when you want to make micro transactions - ever tried to pay $0.02 with credit card?
2. The more IOTA is used, the faster the transactions are. This means that is quite useful for transactions between gazillion of things - that's what the purpose of this cryptro is.
3. Purely from investors point of view - IOTA still doesn't have a good wallet, some of the biggest exchanges did not offer it, yet. Once there is a wallet and more exchanges start offering IOTA the price will jump. I am in for the money. So i bid on this one.

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The point is that lot of years all cryptocurrencies whose in basically same spot, after ETH and BTC price rise lot of people started to see big opportunity to invest in crypto. My one friend said: we missed bitcoin train and that it...

Okay let's do simple counting. I want to invest 1 000$, so let pretend I'm investing in bitcoin, so okay let's pretend it will gonna rise to 30k in 2018, so in one years I will gonna make 40% money. Now lets count if I will invest 1 000$ to IOTA. One IOTA 4.29$, so if it will gonna rise to 8.30$ in 2018 years I will gonna make same 50% of my money. So now answer to my, which coin have bigger chances? Bitcoin rise to 30k$, or IOTA to 8.30$ in next years??? But we don`t know IOTA can go to 20, or even more in next years.

BDW: this is Litecoin maker post.

r3L4x said:

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The point is that lot of years all cryptocurrencies whose in basically same spot, after ETH and BTC price rise lot of people started to see big opportunity to invest in crypto. My one friend said: we missed bitcoin train and that it...

Okay let's do simple counting. I want to invest 1 000$, so let pretend I'm investing in bitcoin, so okay let's pretend it will gonna rise to 30k in 2018, so in one years I will gonna make 40% money. Now lets count if I will invest 1 000$ to IOTA. One IOTA 4.29$, so if it will gonna rise to 8.30$ in 2018 years I will gonna make same 50% of my money. So now answer to my, which coin have bigger chances? Bitcoin rise to 30k$, or IOTA to 8.30$ in next years??? But we don`t know IOTA can go to 20, or even more in next years.

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Again you have no clue what you are talking about. You are one of those "newly" created investors i see that has invested some money in something but has no idea how the market works.

I know you want to make money as everyone else on this thread.. But please always do your research and due diligence before starting to trow words like ..

which coin have bigger chances? Bitcoin rise to 30k$, or IOTA to 8.30$ in next years???But we don`t know IOTA can go to 20, or even more in next years.

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Bitcoin has 16,733,175 circulating supply.

IOTA has 2,779,530,283 circulating supply.

Bitcoin is used by millions of people - Iota needs some kind of global PR event to even reach that level.

So if you play by the market rules its more likely bitcoin to hit 30K even from next year, than IOTA hitting 8.30$ in the next couple of years !