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In need of high pr links

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by rankore, Jun 2, 2011.

  1. rankore

    rankore Junior Member

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    There are a few people on here offering high pr links but just wondered if anyone has tried and tested people's products on here and have a positive outcome?

    I'm on linkpushing at the moment, it seems to be doing nothing (3 months down the line) and this is with 4 sites, different keywords and around 20 pushes each. My concern is that none..apart form 3 links!!!! have been indexed. Now I know some people say "it doesn't matter that it's not indexed" but I beg to differ. All of the "check your backlinks" programs grab them from indexed backlinks yes? so why wouldn't google do the same? I see competitors with 1000's of indexed backlinks, not secret bs backlinks that no one can see.

    So people, tried and tested services with good pr ranked backlinks.
     
  2. hacknslash

    hacknslash Newbie

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    I've been curious about the same.
    Not in a position to waste more money right now.
     
  3. martinact420

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    I am totally ready to waste some money on some decent high pR links so pm me if ya'll have any for sale...
     
  4. BHopkins

    BHopkins Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I've tried and tested my service. :)
     
  5. TNphoneman

    TNphoneman Senior Member

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    You bought 20 pushes for 4 sites yet you do not say how you used them. Unless you used 1 keyword per push you would not get 20 pushes each in 4 months for 4 sites. You also left out all the other parameters that go into the whole thing like competition, how many keywords etc.

    I also see that you do not understand what Indexing means. Just because you do not see the link when you search link:mysite.com that is not checking to see if it is indexed. Looks like you need to learn some more.
     
  6. 0_inspiration

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    Seemingly I need to learn some more too! :D
    Would you mind explaining how Google knows that there's a link pointing to your site if it hasn't been crawled or indexed in any directories? I'm really interested in this because I don't see how there would be any benefit.
    Or are you saying that the OP doesnt know how to check their backlinks?
    From what I could tell the OP was saying that the links were not appearing on any of the methods he used to check the backlinks (eg Yahoo site explorer, Traffic Travis, etc).

    I'm not disputing that the links will be indexed eventually, but I really cannot see how they'd have any benefit until they're in a directory.
     
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  7. TNphoneman

    TNphoneman Senior Member

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    To see if something is indexed you use the "site:" that will tell you if the page is indexed. If it is, then Google knows about it. They never show all the links. I have a site with 5k links in webmaster tools and 1 using the "link:" search function. The main keyword ranks #2 yet Google only shows it having 1 link.

    I have another fairly easy keyword on another site where I used link pushing to rank it there (found out later it was not needed) and no links show up for that page. Yet all of page 1 and most of page 2 is covered with my linkpush articles. How did they get there if they are not indexed.

    If you think about it, how do you check to see if your site is indexed? "site:mysite.com" right? Well that is how you check to see if your links are indexed also.
     
  8. 0_inspiration

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    But you seemed to be saying that wasn't the way to do it in your last post didn't you?....

    I tend to use Yahoo site explorer because Yahoo update their directory FAR more regurlarly than Google, and if its on Yahoo it will show up on Google eventually! Google doesnt show all the links because they don't update their directory all that often, but they make use of the Yahoo directory in their search algorithm as far as I'm aware. The links SHOULD show up eventually, when Google gets updates it.

    Your anecdotal evidence is interesting though, but I'm not sure that Google 'withholds' info in its directory, and even if they did it would show up in one of the other search engines wouldn't it?
     
  9. Thatchman

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    The 4 star and 5 star edu linkbuilding services in the "services for sale" part of the forum have been pretty useful ranking my sites.
     
  10. TNphoneman

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    What I said was that you do not check indexing with the "link:" function.

    Yes Google does withhold data. The site I mentioned as ranking at #2 is over 6 months old. Data should have been updated by now. If they did not withhold data, then why does webmaster tools have over 5k links to the site? Same company. The only thing that you can trust with Google is where your site is ranking.

    As far as Google using data from Yahoo, I don't think so. Up until recently, Yahoo was getting their search data from Google. Now they have switched to Bing. Google has it's own data.
     
  11. 0_inspiration

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    I was sure it was the other way around... Yahoo uses Google's search technology but it's own data as far as I was aware (given that Yahoo updates its directory more regularly than Google, I'd have thought it would be the other way around) - You can see this for yourself from the fact that stuff appears on Yahoo site explorer more rapidly than on Google.

    Do you have any proposed reason Google would 'withhold' information?
    Do you not think it might be that the majority of the automated links produced don't get crawled for over 6 months because they're of interest to nobody?

    Not trying to be contrary or anything like that, just interested as to you theories...

    This is from 2004 =====> http://news.cnet.com/2100-1024_3-5160710.html

    =====> Further data "Website Backlink Info - Most webmasters like to know exactly how many sites are linking to their various websites. Yahoo makes this especially easy with their "linkdomain:" search operator. It quickly provides a full list of incoming links to any given domain. For some reason Google does not publicly disclose this backlink information, but instead provides a small sample of quality incoming links to a given domain via it's "link:" search operator. Google does provide Google Webmaster Tools that will give you backlink information for a specific domain once you sign up and prove to Google that you are the owner of the domain." source: http://www.marcandangel.com/2007/07/07/the-only-7-things-yahoo-does-better-than-google/

    All of that leads me to believe that if it doenst show up in Yahoo site explorer OR Google Webmaster Tools, it isn't indexed...
     
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  12. TNphoneman

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    Yahoo started using Google in 2000 and stopped in 2004. I was thinking it was much later than that.
    http://www.google.com/googlefriends/alert2_2000.html

    They sucked at it so now they are powered by Bing
    http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2010/08/24/exciting-news-from-bing-and-yahoo.aspx

    As for reasoning, I don't have a clue but I do have proof that they are doing it. My guess would be to keep people like us from finding out the whole truth on how to rank. Just like they never tell us about their algorithm.
     
  13. 0_inspiration

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    Worth noting I'm not even doubting that Linkpusing works, I think it's a sound system, but I like to understand why something works :D
     
  14. TNphoneman

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    Not a problem. Here is where I got the later date from.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-hey-yahoo-search-is-powered-by-google-in-uk-2009-8
     
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    Read your links, but that doesn't refute what I said about the search process beingprovided by Bing and the data from Yahoo, if that wasn't the case then we wouldn't have this:

    Microsoft to delete Yahoo search data after 3 months

    By Emil Protalinski | Published about a year ago
    Microsoft will have to follow Yahoo's policy of keeping search data for three months if the Microhoo 10-year partnership goes through later this year. That means the Microsoft will have to delete any personal data it gets from the Yahoo after three months.
    Earlier this week, Microsoft decided to comply with the EU's request to cut down search data retention to six months. At the time, we also noted that Google keeps its data for nine months and Yahoo keeps data for three months. Naturally, Yahoo was pleased it was winning at least one aspect of the search war, so it sent over the following statement to us.
    "Yahoo! is extremely proud of our Data Anonymization Policy which has received wide support and affirms our commitment to help protect our users' privacy," a Yahoo spokesperson told Ars. "Yahoo!'s policy both dramatically reduces the time we hold personal data and increases the scope of log data covered under the policy."
    We followed up with the company about a Bing-Yahoo deal. "Microsoft will need to comply with Yahoo! policies for data we convey to them," a Yahoo spokesperson told Ars.
    This seems to make perfect sense as data retention rules should still apply even if the data changes hands, but we contacted Redmond to make sure the duo's opinions aligned. "Microsoft will follow Yahoo!'s privacy practices for search data that it receives from Yahoo!," a Microsoft spokesperson told Ars. "In particular, Microsoft will adhere to Yahoo!'s data retention policy with respect to all searches and IP addresses that Yahoo! collects and passes to Microsoft."




    http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...o-delete-yahoo-search-data-after-3-months.ars
     
  16. MrE

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    At the end of the day 99% of services here put your links on PR0 pages with zero authority, surrounded by highly spun/scraped content.

    If you think this is a good way to rank for any type of competitive keyword then keep throwing your money at it, but you won't see amazing results.

    If you are ready to get serious about quality links then check my signature, you won't find anything on BHW that compares in quality.
     
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    Either way, all of this just goes to underline how dangerous it is having any company holding a monopoly on search results :D
     
  18. milans

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    Just use google webmasters to see what links are indexed. Google does index my links faster than yahoo does.
     
  19. Chrisss

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    It is possible to buy high PR links in the BST section.

    But - don't expect to much. My experience is that most of the links will be deleted after a month or two. Or the links will move on to "page 2 on the blog" and you will lose the high PR page.

    The best thing is to go trough the bst section and try all the providers. They all offer a small package for 5-10 bucks. Wait a few month and see what links still are alive and then use that provider.

    The dude who runs this site http://vilambara.com/ does however have a good rating here on bhw.
     
  20. sandesh_007

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    I think i am good in finding high PR do follow blogs and my client is happy with my work. so let me know if you want to try anything..