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I'm So Closed Minded With KW Research

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by zmoney, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. zmoney

    zmoney Senior Member

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    I Swear I'm so closed minded or dumb minded or just completely boring in my box when it comes to keyword research. I see all these long tail keywords that get great searches, yet I'm not finding any.

    My seed keywords are stupid stuff like "band saws", "wood chippers", "heat exchanger".

    I mean, that's stuff that is extremely popular and everybody and their brother sells. I'm doing amazon sites now, so its even worse, because I'm strictly going for products.

    I need to be finding keywords like "wedding reception planners" or "bird cage cables" or something totally off the the wall that nobody has heard of.

    But If nobody has heard of them, how the hell will I know about them even too look them up? hahaha Kind of a cache 22 type thing there....

    How the hell do I open my mind and find these weird niches.... "worm farms" hell, I never would have thought about something like that.....

    I'm spending hours and hours trying to find some keywords that are rare, keyword people are passionate about etc.....

    I have no freaking clue what to do anymore... My seed keywords are just too boring... I run the GKWT results back through, but usually thats just low count stuff anyhow...

    ::Completely frustrated::

    Not sure If I'm asking for help, ranking, screaming, wanting attention or what... But its the ONLY component of my whole system that is screwed...

    You know those keywords where you look at it and you have completely NO CLUE WTF it is? Those are they keywords I need to find... When I do find some, they have less than 10 searches lol

    I'm starting to think my last concussion really did me in or I'm going insane... lol

    Anyhow, Any advice at all? I'm almost starting to feel like its one of those things you are "born with" and can't be learned... which is really scaring me...
     
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  2. OldSalt

    OldSalt Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Suggestion... it's certainly not a cure-all but Ultimate Niche Finder is a tool that could help you. Note that I am not including a URL so you know that I am not an affiliate and if you read the thread, you will see that I'm just a happy customer.

    But it has worked well for me - but as you will see in my experience if you read it, get some toss away adwords accounts cause Google with temp-block them after you run a bunch of searches. (creating adwords accounts are easy - not like adsense... you just log out from one, and create a new one... doesn't even need a bank account or credit card).
     
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  3. LakeForest

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    "~keyword" gives synonyms (not insulting your intelligence here if you're like "i already did that fool!"), that might help spark things.

    Get synonyms and then spin your keywords maybe?
     
  4. dotcomdesigns

    dotcomdesigns Power Member

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    Yeah coming up with keywords is a nightmare. For me, I need software to do it. If you have a big budget IMeye is quite useful but costs about $147 a month. I tried it for 7 days and managed to get a keyword and expiring domain for a product I'd never heard of before and it makes me $30 to $50 a month from Amazon. I'm toying with going back to IMeye again.

    IMeye works in the opposite way to most keyword tools. It gives you the keywords and available domain names according to the criteria you enter rather than you trying to think of keywords.

    I have Keyword Scout too. That has an Amazon option available. It will search through the best sellers list and throw out 50 to 150 keywords. I found a keyword of a product which again I'd never heard of with 3800 exact searches in the US and low competition. The site is built and I'm just starting to backlink. Fingers crossed this will turn our some passive income in time.

    I'd never have found either of these keywords without tools. I just keep coming up with ones every one else does!
     
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    I'm bookmarking imeye... it looks promising and it looks like it's $1 for a 3 day trial and then followed by $97 monthly payments... a bit better than $147... right now I am building up several sites but after that I may consider that tool as well as the UNF that I'm using now.
     
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  6. Techxan

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    Man I see key words every where I go. Look around you. Are you on the road? What do you see? Cars, any money in cars? (insurance, tires, title services, manuals, wiring diagrams, windshield repair).

    Look a truck! Can a truck make me money? Can't do nothing with diesel, what do trucks need? GPS, straps to tie the load down, breakdown reflector kits, load boomers and chains, wonder where you buy load boomers? Again insurance, and fuel economy is probably big in their minds.

    Coming up to an intersection, look around, a store, gas station, strip center with small businesses--how to make money from any on them? Local flyers, seo services, LETTERING, they all need lettering on their business and signs THEY ALL NEED SIGNS!!

    Gotta calm down and drive, what's that? People working on the side of the road, lunch kits, water, shade, fans, portable chairs or stools, all possible niches. Look at that guy on the mower-HAH safety gear!! Face shields, glasses, hard hats, big orange vests, gloves, and. . . windshield repair again, thanks a lot buddy!! <appropriate gesture>

    Really look at the world. How can you not find a niche?
     
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  7. zmoney

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    Glasses:

    [safety glasses]
    [prescription safety glasses]
    [oakley safety glasses]
    [nemesis safety glasses]
    [safety glasses usa]
    [pyramex safety glasses]
    [bifocal safety glasses]
    [uvex safety glasses]

    Excellent example. Nothing there. And all quite common, a zillion places selling glasses.

    May I add, which I forgot Low Competition...

    Guess it's a problem of not being able to dig down far enough.. or something.

    Budget for software = $0.00
     
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  8. implayer

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    Not sure if IMeye still has the free trial, but i have gotten some great kw's from it - some of the sites now are making a few hundred a month. its worth a look and if they are put aside some time to so you can use it to find a dozen kw's or two and then build sites around them - kws like oven mits im in the same boat shit i never would have thought of
     
  9. LBrown

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    I don't think I understand the problem. What's wrong with being close minded about keyword research? If you've found niches that convert then get more keywords in those niches. The keywords in your OP are great for Amazon and their long tails will be too. I have an MNS on wood chippers and those bring in a decent commission from Amazon.

    Here are the tools I use if it helps:
    Ultimate Niche Finder
    http://keywordresearcher.org/
    https://www.keywordstrategy.org/
     
  10. zmoney

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    Wood chipper, theres only 2 keywords above 1k searches per month:

    Wood chipper and wood chipper rental lol

    Not even going to look up the competition for those :)

    This is a perfect example. What the hell am I gonna do with the only 2 keywords there are for wood chipper? They are high comp.

    So, i'd skip this niche cause theres no keywords for it.

    See the problem?
     
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    Why are there only 2 keywords? Maybe you're being close minded about search volume rules. Wood chippers cost $500-$1000. If you have a 1% converstion rate on a keyword with 210 searches a month you'll be selling roughly 1 per month. At 7% commission on Amazon that is at least $35/month and several times that during gardening season. Not only that but you will rank for the keyword very easily because it will be such a low competition term. These types of keywords are giving me the biggest ROI these days and there are tons of them.
     
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  12. zmoney

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    Everyone says not to look for anything under 1k searches minimum.. So thats what I use as minimum, optimum range is about 2-4k I guess.. Most wood chipper stuff is 200 and under. Ranked 7th your only getting 10% of that Which is less than 1 visit per day.

    These micro niche guys I see a lot are finding 3k searches low comp stuff........ I don't get it. Guess it just takes time......
     
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    Another keyword suggestion tool worth checking is itchesforniches. It's on here somewhere. It's similar to imeye but cheaper
     
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    i call this thing an art. IM is not just hardwork. its creativity .
    Keywords are everywhere. u have to figure out where to find out
     
  15. jennym

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    yeah, I have a hard time with keywords also. I think I just over analyze it. I broke down and bought some the other day, and I don't like them either. :rolleyes: I'm going to just use them and see what happens.
     
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    It sounds to me like your problem isnt finding a keyword, its finding a keyword that you can then in turn find 10 or so related keywords to make a 10 page site around?
     
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    If you are doing Amazon sites just pick a product that has low comp. The search volume does not really matter simply because if the person is searching for a brand name + model number they have already decided to buy. You just need to give them the affiliate link to click on.
     
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    Don't forget that it's not always a matter of finding that perfect keyword that no one has ever gone after before. I go after plenty of niches that just have shitty sites that don't deserve to be ranked well. I routinely push them off their perch.

    Sometimes you just have to go after a niche you like, and if you see a bunch of crappy sites at the top, ask yourself if you bring something more to the table that people searching for the product would appreciate. If that's the case, go ahead and go after it.
     
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    +rep I can use that resource, thanks for sharing