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I wish I could turn off my morals

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by moremoney, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. moremoney

    moremoney Junior Member

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    ^ I was wondering if any of you guys ever think the same thing. I'm always thinking of pretty blackhat ways to make cash but a lot of the time my morals get in the way, even when i do get round to doing them someone will contact me with something that will make me feel bad/ashamed.

    Maybe I'm too soft and care about other people too much, I dont know. What do you guys think or what do you do to get around this?
     
  2. hitman247

    hitman247 Executive VIP Premium Member

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    What type of moral dilemna are you talking about?
     
  3. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    Everyone has their own limit as to how far they will go into the Darkside.

    Just remember this: When it comes time to pay the rent, your landlady isn't going to care where the hell you got the money from. And when your kids are hungry, you can't feed them with morals.

    "Wiz"
     
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  4. moremoney

    moremoney Junior Member

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    It's not even like I do anything that bad or remotely illegal, I just don't feel comfortable manipulating or misleading people, which kinda of makes any black hat hard to do.

    I try telling myself I need to be more selfish but it still feels wrong maybe its because im young and haven't experienced the harsh nature of the world yet. I mean shit I know its dog eat dog out there but I find it hard to do things I wouldn't like done to myself.
     
  5. moremoney

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    Thats a really good answer, thanks wiz. I often try of think of these kind of situations to motivate myself but I'm still living with my parents I don't know what desperate is, I'm sure if I tasted it my morals would soon disappear.
     
  6. WizGizmo

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    It's up to you. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, then don't do it.

    I have my limitations as well. For instance, I would never make bank off from tragedies like the Hurricane Katrina victims or the victims of the earthquake in Haiti.

    You have to live with YOU . . . and that is the bottom line.

    "Wiz"
     
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    Not to diminish what Wiz is saying, you have to be able to sleep at night. There are no less than 1 million ways to make a living online and to make a good living online that would fit your morals.

    Find several and work them... make good bank and sleep at night at the same time.
     
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  8. ExtraWinner

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    After all the things people did to me I am asking :

    "Morale? What is that?"

    I wouldn't scam people though...
    Not in my nature...

    You just need to lower your limits...
    I never thought that I will be in adult business, and now I am proud of that :)

    World is what you see, not how other people describe it.
     
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  9. dshad

    dshad Regular Member

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    Like Wiz stated, my line is when there is a tragedy. I won't even think about doing anything with it (except maybe going and volunteering to help). You have to decide where that line is and live with it. There are TONS of money making methods out there.
     
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  10. cooooookies

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    Yeah, certainly there are tons of money making methods. Some methods which do not require high standards in terms of morale are possibly easier and pay out better. But I say: no thanks! Sometimes I feel really bad when people are presenting their absolute mf-bitch-methods (e.g. cl stuff for unemployed, "My sister has cancer..." etc).

    My three commandments are:
    - Only touch individuals in a statistical sense
    - No stuff which exploits humanity
    - And certainly (maybe covering most very questionable stuff): no illegal activities

    I don't want to discuss standards, I do not think my level of morale is high nor do I think that my way could help others, but I can sleep well. Do what you want but always think how you would feel when things happen to you. This should help you not to convert into a conscienceless bastard.
     
  11. raidel21

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    I'ts not that you "care about other people too much"..

    It's the fear that holds you back...
    Even crooks "Care"...,

    But Internet Marketing is not about caring...It's a business and a tough one at that.
     
  12. «ßH» ¢Ödê ▬ Wâ®®îÖ®

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    Wrote this to solve your dilemma OP, lemme know how it goes.. :laugh:

    #include <frontal brain lobe>
    #include <iostream>

    int main()
    {
    int currentincome;
    int targetincome;
    bool brainisevil = false;

    cout<<"Input Current Income ";
    cin>> currentincome;
    cout<<"Input Target Income ";
    cin>> targetincome;

    if (currentincome < targetincome && brainisevil == false ) {
    brainisevil = true;
    }

    else {
    cout<<"No increase in evilness currently required, but highly recommended regardless";
    }

    }


    "Give a man a match and he will be warm for a minute - but set him on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life"
    :firedevil
     
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    Don't do it, on the end of a day some things are still more important than money ;)
     
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    Morals over Money has always been my philosophy.

    Maybe thats why I'm not RICH yet ?
     
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    You're right.
     
  16. deadbeatdude

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    Definitely. At the end of the day you're talking about something on the Internet. You aren't doing any violent crimes. BH isn't even illegal. I say just get over it and make money.
     
  17. halifax123

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    look at the refrigerator box tucked under the freeway
    overpass with garbage strewn next to it and a cigarette
    lighter as a stove, and imagine it had the words
    on it "home sweet home"

    here this exercise might help you out, bend over all the way
    until your balls are in your mouth, crunch down real hard with your
    back teeth, and then have someone slamm a car door on you
    at the same time while saying "I LOVE IT", OK...feel better now??



    then realize your marketing methods "ain't that bad afterall"

    I went through the same thing you did, except I
    had major cognitive dissonance when bills were piling
    up and life was at a "brink" I suddenly "overcame"
    that "moral" "inherent" propensity to that core
    feeling you have right now

    I went through my period about 2 1/2 years ago. as
    I was someone who would never cheat (still won't in real life)
    I mean I was seriously torn in half, I remember arriving at a
    point where I finally got passed it and thinking to myself or rather
    reflecting on the change,

    but on the net I need to "skirt the rules" for now......:bling:

    yeah I had a big problem with it, now I'm immune in a sense

    at the time I was SOOOOOOO against doing what I had started doing

    I may "blackhat" and if someone lays down a CC and feels slightly like
    they got something other than what they bargained for :rip: , at least
    they got something and I just didn't ripp them off

    EDIT) and here's the thing you should work towards, do your blackhat
    then at the same time work on a whitehat plan and alternative
    "mainstream solutions and methods" then once your whitehat methods
    and all that start to work for you and make you bank, then drop the blackhat
    and go on forums like this and help others to learn your whitehat ways
    as your "penance" so have a plan so that you will "atone"
    and "redeem" yourself ..........

    hali~!:)
     
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  18. super11

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    I can understand where you are coming from. I have always believed in making money with honesty and might.

    "Thrive with honesty or live poor"
     
  19. eBayMafia

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    If I come to a standpoint where I have to make a moral decision, it's either victimless or the opposite. If it's victimless, I try to consult on the repercussions and decide if its worth it. If I earn $400,000, but I'm doing something that could get me arrested, chances are that I will lose that money, and my family will no longer be able to rely on me for different types of support. I don't take anyone's hard earned money, which is why I will never sell a product on how to "Make Money Online" unless I was 100% sure people could take that investment and actually use it and really make money, not just gamble with it. Someone on the WarriorForum whom is selling a product on making $20,000 a month online was "offended" and tried to make me look bad for saying what I did in my first sentence. I answered with honesty, but he went out of his way to make me look bad. I called him out and asked to see his assets, and real notarized proof that he makes what he claims to be selling people for $47.99 - He couldn't. Upon further investigation, it was obvious that he was lying to everyone, including himself. That's the kind of thing I could never do.

    A lot of non-internet marketers will say that if I built a list with their names and e-mails and sent them offers for future products I'm selling, is immoral. I obviously don't agree, but I'm not saying they are wrong. I choose to do it.
     
  20. Fwiffo

    Fwiffo Power Member

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    "It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live"

    - Marcus Aurelius

    That can help answer your question either way.

    For me at a similar junction it give me clarity.