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I Think I'm Done With Writing

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by HolidayWriter, Jan 20, 2019.

  1. HolidayWriter

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    I just want to rant a little bit. I see so many people talk about how they make a sustainable living from writing and how they make $100 per article but yet, none of them can ever give me any details on how they obtained their first real gig or attracted high-quality clients.

    Nearly every client I meet and everyone who contacts me is usually from Asia and wants me to work miracles for $1 per 100 words. I've stopped enjoying writing, I'm pulling my hair out and raging every time I hear the notification sound for a new email. I have people that speak broken English that demand "high quality" and from my experience, the cheapest clients have the highest demands.

    The most recent person to contacted me wanted me to write their content, upload it to their blog, format it, upload pictures, provide sources and do a top 10 list in every single article. All for $20 an article. I'm always at the mercy of low-paying clients. When you tell them that you charge a higher rate, they simply say bye and go somewhere else. They will go through writer after writer and they always come back to you, begging for you to do their content for yet again, $1 per 100 words. It's an endless cycle and sometimes, you're just so desperate that you end up taking $1 gigs.

    It's miserable, it's not sustainable and I'm giving up on it altogether. Not only is $1 per 100 words a criminal rate for anyone who can type coherent English, but most payment processors also charge about 4%, so a 10,000 gig or $100, would really only net you $96. It's absolutely pathetic.

    I have tried my luck on sites like Upwork but literally, no one responds to their gigs after they post them. I have sent hundreds of proposals over months. I've only received one email out of ALL of the proposals I've sent. It was an email to tell me that someone else was selected for the job. Instead, every job is spammed with comments like this: "Hello I can has the job in done quick".

    If you're someone who's earning a living off of writing, I have no idea how you're doing it but I'm happy for you. I spent months trying to build up a portfolio and reach out to higher paying clients, even at a mere $3 per 100 words, I couldn't find anyone. Everyone wants $1 per 100 words and if they have "bulk work", they want you to go even cheaper. It's disgusting and I'm just done with this business altogether. So, for anyone who enjoys doing $1 content; don't worry, that's one less writer to worry about applying for the same gig. I hope you make it but I clearly didn't, after years of full-time effort put into it.

    I genuinely don't get these clients. They hop from freelancer to freelance and believe me, I've been on the hiring side. I've hired people for $1 per 100 words. You get nothing but incoherent garbage and stuff literally copied from Wikipedia. It takes a ton of applicants to find one that actually attempts to even write the piece. What are these clients honestly even hoping to accomplish with this low rate content? No one's going to read it and no writer is going to put in the time required to write a compelling article.

    That's my rant for the night. I'm out.
     
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  2. Terryboony1234

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    they get lucky and find someone willing to pay 2.5-3¢ per word, based on two different levels of competition 1-2k for easier stuff and 5000-10,000 word articles of high quality that are worth the money because people will eventually read them.

    Hope this helps.

    ps - that was a very nice advert proving your writing is worth more than the base crap. ;)
     
  3. v.

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    Branding might be your issue, you say people are not willing to pay for $3/100 words & only look for $1/100 words.

    How do you portray yourself to clients?

    What do you specialize in?

    If your specialty is: I build link-worthy content and have acquired xxx amount of organic outreach links from .edu & .gov sites.

    You really think people wouldn't pay you a lot more than the normal writers?

    I would pay $5-6/100 words if someone could replace what I do. Shit takes a lot of effort.

    Provide more value, up your branding.
     
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  4. eman11

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    I've run into the same type of clients as a freelance writer. After hours of churning out content, you start to get sick of it. The best route to make money is to get a on with a legit publication.
     
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  5. terrycody

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    Sry to hear that, but for me, being a writer is not a sustainable business anymore, nowadays, just think how AI and low-paying competitors there, yes high-end writer earns good, but not that many ones as I can say. They are the payoff of times and ages in their circle, others would hard to duplicate.

    So better think long-term in today's economy, maybe write contents for yourself on your own website, and promote your high-end writing service, by guest-posting on sites like copyblogger to connect more potential clients, by joining the professional forums like proZ to be recognized by others in the same industries, and so on. But if I were u, I would consider to change to another long-term job.

    Bro, think AI, it will bash 50% jobs in 15 years...
     
  6. xbryan

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    that's your first and only post since 2013, lol.
     
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  7. kegnum

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    Hey,

    I've been full time in IM since 2009.

    Made a ton in SEO when i started for 9 months. I remember one month I made $30K just with adsense. Then in 2012 it all went to shit.

    After that I tested out FB just commenting on big pages as my page. Started to make $100 a day, got into FB ads, built pages and was making $500+ per day... then FB killed reach.

    A year later I got into Twitter/Tumbler adult methods. Made a lot of money with that for about a year.

    Finally over the last 3 years I have been earning very good money email marketing.


    In between when i was unable to find a way to earn i would supplement writing articles. I %$& hate writing. I hated it when I did SEO and I hate it now. So i didnt aim for large articles. I started on fiverr and offered up 300 words for $5. Now i live in New Jersey in the US, so cost of living is high. The great thing about those little articles is people buy them for SEO. They have to make sense and have to be grammatically correct BUT the content is less important.

    Pleople would order 20 articles about dog food. I would find 3-4 topics and write an article on each and then just manually rewrite them 5 times.

    Over time I managed to sneak a few customers away from fiverr and work with them directly. Doing this I was able to make $3K to $4K a month and work about 5 hours a day 7 days a week. This gave me time to work on other projects. This took me about 3 months to build. I built my rep and my client list.

    Over time I started to find a few people on Odesk that had a good grasp of the english language and would pay them $3 per article and charge my clients $5. After a few weeks I was able to start generating $5-$6K a month

    Once my other business took off i completely stopped dealing with my clients and connected 2 of them directly to my worker from Odesk since I no longer had any interest.

    Point is.. with no BH, no secret sauce, no help from anyone. I was able to do this in about 6 months. All while working on other projects. So, YES you can make a full time living doing this.
     
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  8. Xsesonit

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    I have read everything you wrote. the thing that caught my eye was 'It's an endless cycle ' Man, I think that mastered it on online marketplaces who help you generate traffic and clients. Now it's maybe time for you to move on and build your own brand instead of being in the mercy of Fiverr / Upwork? instead of being another member in their cycle, build your own cycle. Soon as you will establish yourself as a trusted brand (which takes a lot of time and effort) you will be able to charge 100,200,250 whatever the fuck price you think that your work is worth with that being said you will have to provide x3 better quality than you did with Fiverr etc. if Fiverr will chose one day to turn the lights off on you (shut down your account for any reason) you will still have your own brand. Let me tell you about my cycle, when I just started I used to order articles for 5$ then I understood that this is one big BS. and now even when someone offering me 1500 words @ 5$ for money site I say no because I know that this specific article will not do the job as it needs to be done. So nowadays, I have few writers that I know that when I am giving them my money I can sleep well at night. I will pay 15$ for 500 words but I bought a priceless peaceful mind instead of "smashing" my PC screen getting low-quality content.
     
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  9. wisdomkid

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    This is your 4th post in BHW..

    Have you thought of offering writing service here in BHW?
    I do buy good contents here in BHW for costlier prices,and am satisfied.
     
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  10. Thulf

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    It's probably a cultural thing. What you describe I wouldn't call negotiation, rather some sort of destructive haggling where you have to literally fight back to gain anything yourself. Methaphorically speaking, take the tug-of-war/rope pulling for example, the more you give up the rope the more they take... I personally think there to a be a difference between those two terms (negotiation vs haggling).

    In my country, that sort of haggling is out of the question because I don't think anybody would disrespect others like that. We more or less have fixed prices for everything. Though we are aware of cultural differences, of course, and where they benefit us, we allow it, where it affects our ways negatively, we look down upon.

    Though I have no clue what would be the solution to such haggling clients you describe... (googling might help - certainly there's some psychological study on stuff like that from ancient times already)

    It's not just a cultural thing, come to think of it, such stuff embeds deeper into human behaviour. I guess that's why nobody likes immigrants... from "those" countries (no offence, really - cultural thing, after all - or maybe it could be the lack of eduction instead? Societal issue even? Again, no offence - things are the way they are. Why would I get upset about the way things are? Like... Just think about it for a moment... philosophically... crap ton of factors involved)
     
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  11. Gogol

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    Why don't you use the articles for yourself and try to rank them? When you are working for someone else, you are basically wasting your skills because you don't know how to use yours for making money. I don't blame your clients for trying to save a buck or two. It's you who agreed to the price.

    Sorry if that sounds bad. Oh, and sorry for my poor English. Not a native English speaker here, I hope I qualify for participating in this thread lol. :p
     
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  12. magicjones

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    Yea you know you're writing's pretty good you could charge more and then not have those types of clients who want everything for barely nothing... just an idea :) good luck
     
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    I have people that barely can open an HTML tag in a notepad that demand "high quality" development work. And I don't blame them.
    Development is a skill.
    Writing is a skill.
     
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  14. dandan594594

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    I'd stick around another 12 months OP. I'm currently vetting a ton of writing services for a new authority site project, and some of the samples I've been given are shocking! With google becoming more and more intelligent, high quality content is the future backbone of SEO, and marketers will be willing to pay much more per piece.

    $3 - $5 per 100 words is peanuts, compared to the earning potential of a well crafted article, and slowly but surely people are realizing that great content, ranks higher! The problem is that poor writers are marketing themselves as native speaking, high quality and error free experts, when they should be considered "Filler" writers.

    There is a market for great writers, who produce "publish ready" money site content, trust me I'm looking, and out of maybe 50 I've found 4 I'm will to spend money testing. My advice would be prepare for the next content trend, and not the "best [product] review" list bollocks that's happening now (google will slap this down in the future). Fun, friendly and highly informative articles that consistently portray an individual personality are required, content that reads and sounds great in all media formats.

    I feel that google has almost mastered filtering out spun, rewritten content and next will move towards filtering mono-tonal generic information based articles. This is the direction I'd go if I were a writer, and would offer a publish ready topical series of articles, that all relate to each other (interlink) and have the same writing style (vibe).
     
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    Exactly! If that person knew how to write semantic html5 and make a beautiful website, he/she wouldn't bother hiring me.

    This exact same scenario is valid for web development and design as well. It is a pain to see clients that want you to make the next amazon.com but are willing to pay only $999 for the same. No matter if you say no to the job, there will always be a (crappy, most of the times) developer who will do it for that price. No wonder why freelancing sucks. Luckily for me, I have a better job lol.
     
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    Are you sure about that?

    @HolidayWriter, this should motivate you more than anything to open up a BST on BHW. Personally, I love your writing style! I'm basing this off of what I read in your 1st post. When it comes to quality content, I'm very difficult to please, and I find no issue with what you've written. Surely you'd do well on BHW.
     
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    First step: change your username to just "Holiday" and get some rest.
     
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    If you have the knowledge about subject matter then you'll be able to charge way more. Do you have a niche? What's your area of expertise?

    $1 per 100 words is a content mill rate, don't compete with them. Join relevant FB, subreddits in your niche, provide some value to those communities, establish your name out there and you'll be able to charge more.

    How I found one of my writers? I scroled trough profiles in writers subreddits and looked who is also active in personal finance subreddits as my blog is personal finance blog. That way I know the person is a writer who is interested in personal finance.
     
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    Adding to the rest here..try technical writing..it pays well..
     
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    how much the price of clone amazon you think is fair ?