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I Think I May Have Stumbled Over A Google Loop Hole with Scrape Box..WOooo

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by kez1000, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. kez1000

    kez1000 Supreme Member

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    Well this is what happened
    I have been targeting dentists in a local area, Local seo blah blah blah

    well i have been at position 7 for 6 weeks on google i have been getting between 15-20 ultra targeted hits a day plus phone calls though skype of people wanting to book appointments (hot leads).

    I have good on page and off page seo but i just could not advance up the rankings.

    So what i did was, fire up scrap box and i slow commented posts to my dentist website (its not a blog) Scrap box could not find a comment box and then it said "fail" i did this 50 times.

    Then next day on google analytics reported that i had 70 hits instead of the usual 15-20..

    Anyway three days later BOOM i jump up 6 sports an i am number one:eek:
    also i was targeting 10 different keywords and the samething for all of those keywords as well they jumped up 3-7 places:eek:

    1. Is this a fluk?
    2. is it because the new Google Instant update?
    3. is it a loophole?
    4. Is google looking for website activity as well as links and seo?
     
  2. Cloaks

    Cloaks Regular Member

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    The google dance usually means that google puts your website really high, and then later really low. They want to know if the site is as popular as you're making it seem with all the backlinks. They check if you still get a lot of traffic to your site even if it's ranked really badly. This means that if you can get a lot of hits to your site then google will rank it higher accordingly. I thought this only applied while you were dancing, but apparently it counts all the time.. So keep making those extra hits or you'll lose your spot. Enjoy :)
     
  3. volund

    volund Senior Member

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    Go to the buy/sell section and see if anyone is selling junk traffic to get you ranked better. Not going to find anybody doing that. The reason is your traffic does not affect your rankings.


    Only a small percentage of internet traffic goes through Google. The rest they can not track so it makes no sense at all that they would use traffic as a way to rank sites when they have no way of tracking that information for most of the sites out there.
     
  4. whynot

    whynot Registered Member

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    What if the OP has Google Analytics installed? Then Google would be able to track his traffic.
     
  5. MKelly

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    I think the CTR from google webmaster tools counts more than actual traffic, if your title and page is not relevant, then people won't click and you'll drop off the page.

    I think this because I had a great relevant page on a quite competitive keyword, even when I was down past result 5 I was getting 20-25% of clicks, they have put me up to the top spot and now I get 40+% of the clicks, just my theory but this makes sense to me.

    I have no idea about if how many actual visits from anywhere and user activity affects your SERPS, but you'd think that thy could track it in many ways, if someone has an account with gmail saved on their pc, analytics or google toolbar installed, you would think that google would be able to track things like bounce rate and page views, then again, if someone has nothing but microsoft browsers and accounts, google couldn't track anything, so I guess it wouldn't be fair to include these stats in actual rankings.

    If page views and hits were a big part of the algo, they would be easy to manipulate, mind you, most people on here got their ranking by manipulating, infact doing any SEO is manipulating, waking up in the morning is manipulating.
     
  6. kez1000

    kez1000 Supreme Member

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    maybe google take traffic into consideration with smaller niche sites that get on avarage
    20-100 hits aday. so in my niche the top site gets 100 hits aday SO if i simulate more
    than 100 hits aday then google places me higher because it seems that my site has more
    activity.

    this may not apply to lager sites that get more than say 2000 hits aday
     
  7. gregstereo

    gregstereo Elite Member

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    interesting post, thx for sharing kez.

    I have been wondering and reading about what other little treats goog might have pushed out the door along with instant. Instant is just the most visible thing to the public.
     
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    Yes they can track his traffic but not the traffic for all the other sites in his niche. How can they compare his traffic to all those other sites if they do not know what the traffic count of those other sites are.

    Google is going to use information that they can track for all (or at least most) sites. They are not going to use traffic because they can not track that info for the majority of the sites out there. That would make their rankings worthless.
     
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    zilog357 Newbie

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    Do you see stars at the right of the SERP links? If yes, try again, but this time signing out of any Googlr services you may have.
     
  10. volund

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    Again how is Google going to know this information. If I purchase 10k visitors to one of my sites this month that does not have analytics or adsense installed on it there is no way for Google to see that traffic.

    If I am in a small niche and involved in one of the main forums for that niche and get a lot of traffic from them everyday how is Google going to know that?

    While Google is able to pull quite a bit of information there is no way for them to track most of the internet traffic. There is no way they would use something as part of their algorithm that they can not track. That would be stupid and of all the things you can say about Google stupid is not one that comes to mind.
     
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    its not the google dance because i have been indexed for over 4 months now i stop dancing 3 months ago:cool:
     
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    kez1000 Supreme Member

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    that is such a good point :)
    Maybe google is favoring the sites that have anayliticts installed?
     
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    Google definitely won't use any traffic statistics in their algorithm and especially not favouring sites with analytics installed, this is probably just a coincidence. It's likely that they've just indexed backlinks you've created in the past or noticed the on-site SEO you've been doing. If traffic was used in their algorithm, I could just go ahead and buy 1 million junk visitors and rank high for some nice keywords. Definitely not going to happen.
     
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    No Way, you expect ebay, amazon and wikipedia to put google analytics on their site ?
     
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    Going to try this for a site of mine.
    The keyword has 500 searches a day but really no competition. The domain I have is exact keyword phrase.com and is ranking 11th with a crappy article (No SEO done witht he site rlly).

    I will tell if it actually will improve my rankings
     
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    volund, Mkelly

    Where did you two come from? Venus? One is writing:

    For the orher one, God Bless him.

    I think they are from a country which is not explored up to now, and there is a company there named Google just started its business.
     
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    I can tell you that traffic does factor into the position of your site. Google buys information from alexa.com and based on the amount of searches a term gets and the CTR for the given places they can create a good estimate on how many people reach a site even if there is no analytics installed.

    This is one of the three most important things in the google algorithm
     
  18. gregstereo

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    It is a very good point, and from my experience I think it's very possible that using GA is a factor (not necessarily a huge one, but a factor).

    In general, it seems to me that the more goog services (and the further down the rabbit hole) you go with them, the more little bumps you get from them.
     
  19. kez1000

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    thats what i was thinking. also if you search for example pets on google then
    click on a site from the search page they will be able to log the amount of people that click thought to your site.
     
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    Part of it could have been Google indexing some of your backlinks and it gave you a lot more juice.

    The other thing about visitors that Google tracks is bounce rate as one of the factors. Having a low bounce rate will help. If you do use slow poster make it take a long time on the site to increase your time on site.

    This would be a good test for a site that has been stable for an extended period of time with no recent backlinks being created.