I need to vent... Article writing on BHW

reaaski said:

Do you know how sarkar is getting so many positive reviews regardless of the fact his links are spammy and get ignored by google within 3 days. I don't know too.
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/sarkar-seo-biggest-seo-scammer-fake-accounts.1259467/
What's interesting. Someone told me once to go and buy his services backing up his reliability with CPA network account screenshots. I think it was all made up to make me spend about $500 for illusory results. My website was penalized within one week after buying them. It looked like some kind of a dance happened in the search but it was a brief moment.

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Did you leave feedback on his BST?

sporty said:

Here is a few samples from articles that have been delivered. You get the picture.

"A professional cyclist is going to be hired to ride a bike in one position in a controlled laboratory. The speeds of the three wheels are then going to be measured so as to come up with what has the best aero drag."

"When doing a race of truth to measure your individual cycling speed without the advantage of getting help from teammates or some riders creating a slipstream when ahead, you could use the rear disc wheels. For flat surfaces, you will find that with little effort you hit higher speeds. Woe unto you if the terrain is hilly or there is a cross wind, the time trial rear disc wheel is going to be slower."

I didn't know a road bike had three wheels? That's new to me coming from a professional cycling background.

- Lets talk about gear ratio's instead

"Every mountain bike will have gears, but the hears will not change themselves. Once you are sure you have the right gears on your bike, it is easy to make the most out of your ratios so as to get the best form cycling, especially when climbing. "

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"Woe unto you i " Sadly a lot of non English speakers try too hard to use what they think is English and use words totally out of context. They will not understand nuances etc.

sporty said:

Is it just me or are the "native" article writers so crap in here? I am yet to find a writer that can actually write a simple English article without a crap load of grammar mistakes and sentences that don't make any sense.

I feel like putting all the articles on display to actually show how poorly they are written.

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If you don't mind me asking, how much are you paying per 500/1000 words etc? I'm a very decent writer (in my opinion) and can write on basically any topic, just I wouldn't know how to price myself. if you/others have plenty of work each month I would consider writing a freebie, so you can check my work or whatever, then you guys give me a fair price?

I just want a bit of income while I'm working on my main projects though, wouldn't want to have to sit and do 100 articles a week or anything crazy so I wasn't sure if it's even possible to do a sales thread.

MisterF said:

"Woe unto you i " Sadly a lot of non English speakers try too hard to use what they think is English and use words totally out of context. They will not understand nuances etc.

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I have seen a lot of articles where the "native writer" has used a thesaurus to change some of the words and just picked the first alternative on the list.

Stuffedegg said:

I have seen a lot of articles where the "native writer" has used a thesaurus to change some of the words and just picked the first alternative on the list.

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Totally agree. I've seen articles where it's clear they've changed the words just to get through Copyscape and used phrases that went out with the last century.

sporty said:

Here is a few samples from articles that have been delivered. You get the picture.

"A professional cyclist is going to be hired to ride a bike in one position in a controlled laboratory. The speeds of the three wheels are then going to be measured so as to come up with what has the best aero drag."

"When doing a race of truth to measure your individual cycling speed without the advantage of getting help from teammates or some riders creating a slipstream when ahead, you could use the rear disc wheels. For flat surfaces, you will find that with little effort you hit higher speeds. Woe unto you if the terrain is hilly or there is a cross wind, the time trial rear disc wheel is going to be slower."

I didn't know a road bike had three wheels? That's new to me coming from a professional cycling background.

- Lets talk about gear ratio's instead

"Every mountain bike will have gears, but the hears will not change themselves. Once you are sure you have the right gears on your bike, it is easy to make the most out of your ratios so as to get the best form cycling, especially when climbing. "

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Lol, pure BS ... Any GOT3 content will be better than that. This is a perfect example of pure bullshit filler fluff content with 0 meaning.

t2van said:

Umm.... if you have worked or are a copywriter your self why farm the work out?

No matter what you are paying it will never meet your own standards.

It's the same as going.

The link building services on the marketplace are shit, and I should know as I do link building for a living.

Why even bother looking there first...




Personally grammar & spelling as a writer you get what you pay for. I don't know what people expect paying $2-5 per line or whatever the going rate is on here. Can argue that point as much you like but when it comes to writing, price DOES matter.

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It should , but realistically most are not writers themselves and then send it on to someone else. So you pay them more, for the writer to still end up with a low rate. So yes, if you work directly with a writer they also just tend to charge more.

Ammar Johar said:

What do you mean by Native? I know Americans who cant spell for shit and Indians that can compose perfect ballads in English.

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It is a hype word used here, but yes my point, look at the PISA study and see for yourself. Nobody calls themself a native writer unless they are not a native speaker in the end.

Nasus said:

100% agree, I think they all just use spun content which is then edited. Weird part is I don't understand how their sales threads are still getting buyers at that level of quality, of how they even got approved in the first place.

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- You can bet they send the staff a grade A article, while the usual is maybe B, C or F level
- Most have great-looking BST, but if you pay attention, most have grammar/spelling errors in their BST... I'd say you know what to expect.

R4v3nbl4ck said:

Just because someone is a native English speaker, it doesn't necessarily mean they have a perfect grammar or writing style.
A lot of native speakers can't distinguish between their, there and the're, or even use could of instead of could have.
I never make these mistakes and I'm not even a native speaker.

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English is THE easiest language in the world, I am sure all bi/trilingual will agree knowing how there is one article, everything is lowercase etc. You do NOT need a person from the UK/US to write a great article, but you should not just have learned from a book but apply it properly. I think the daily use is where sometimes you can tell the difference, as many use words out of context.

Tip
Look for countries with English as the official language and 9/10 times you get a better bank for your buck then the "native" content that is pushed here.

Thanks for my new signature.

theRevolt said:

English is THE easiest language in the world, I am sure all bi/trilingual will agree knowing how there is one article, everything is lowercase etc. You do NOT need a person from the UK/US to write a great article, but you should not just have learned from a book but apply it properly. I think the daily use is where sometimes you can tell the difference, as many use words out of context.

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Yes, English is easier than most languages, but not everyone knows it well enough to write high quality articles. Most people in my country just know some basic English words and if you ask them to write any simple sentence that makes sense, they panic. We obviously have English classes at school, but no one cares about it and no one uses it in daily life. I'm pretty good at English not because I studied it at school when I was younger, but because I use it every day on the Internet, I read books in English even if there are local translations available, and I don't watch dubbed movies or TV shows. I'm not as skilled as a native speaker, but I'm above average for sure, at least compared to my country standards.

R4v3nbl4ck said:

Yes, English is easier than most languages, but not everyone knows it well enough to write high quality articles. Most people in my country just know some basic English words and if you ask them to write any simple sentence that makes sense, they panic. We obviously have English classes at school, but no one cares about it and no one uses it in daily life. I'm pretty good at English not because I studied it at school when I was younger, but because I use it every day on the Internet, I read books in English even if there are local translations available, and I don't watch dubbed movies or TV shows. I'm not as skilled as a native speaker, but I'm above average for sure, at least compared to my country standards.

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I guess the point being that the bar is very low for someone to just produce English output. Now, most you could not consider an article, but probably part of the problem that it is easy to run a scheme here when:

- Most buyers are not super fluent in English so they may not spot simple things as an article missing, or sentence structure, grammar etc
- They can easily even use G translate etc and fix some stuff with grammarly and you would get some of the stuff shown here.

For other languages it would be much harder to do so, so the cycle will continue here.

Without Id verification all those saying native, is just a say. So it's better for you to choose them, based on their writing result. you also can test them first for 1 article.

I'll chime in and side with the writers as I have had a few good writers in the past and have seen some decent content from this forum. I had a few writing services revieews lately, and content was well written.
When it comes to writing you have take writing style into account... compare the Sun and the Financial Times content, completely different writing styles.
The main problem, I have with writers, is that they don't have experience in my niche and thus even though the level of English is good, I can't use the articles on my money sites. When I see something like "can write on basically any topic", I immidiately leave the thread... nobody... NOBODY can cover any topic professionally.
Here's an example: I used a writer from BHW a few years ago and after an order I told him the topic and he went "oh great, I actually have experience in this niche", so when I read his articles I had a sense that it was written by a person who understood the topic and thus his articles sounded professional and insightful.

like most services sold on BHW lol

SharonHe said:

like most services sold on BHW lol

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So you have tested most services on BHW?

BassTrackerBoats said:

So you have tested most services on BHW?

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The fact that BHW become paradise for selling services, says it all.
Nowadays it is hard to find new topic that is not a selling post.

And yes, my account is new but I am lurking here since 2010 and I know how these service provides operate and what they offer.

Overall beating a dead horse...

SharonHe said:

The fact that BHW become paradise for selling services, says it all.
Nowadays it is hard to find new topic that is not a selling post.

And yes, my account is new but I am lurking here since 2010 and I know how these service provides operate and what they offer.

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You didn't answer my question though.

Could you do that please?

BassTrackerBoats said:

You didn't answer my question though.

Could you do that please?

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NO I HAVE NOT tested them and I have no intention of doing because I see shitlists all the time, I see feedbacks, I see other website reviews for BHW services and believme they are not promicing.
Heck there are now at least 3 topics in top home talking about what shite serbvices are allowed. Please check the home right now...

I know you are mod and you gonna defend it because you are all taking money from this, but believe me almost all the byers are one timers. There are rarely returning customers.

And everyone know that "SEO" is long gone....

SharonHe said:

NO I HAVE NOT tested them and I have no intention of doing because I see shitlists all the time, I see feedbacks, I see other website reviews for BHW services and believme they are not promicing.
Heck there are now at least 3 topics in top home talking about what shite serbvices are allowed. Please check the home right now...

I know you are mod and you gonna defend it because you are all taking money from this, but believe me almost all the byers are one timers. There are rarely returning customers.

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I was only asking a question as you made a statement that was quite broad.

I stopped buying articles as well from BHW. They charge too much and never show a remorse for this poorly written articles.

BassTrackerBoats said:

I was only asking a question as you made a statement that was quite broad.

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Am I not allowed to share my opinion based on research, reviews etc etc?
Am I obligated to test a service in order to be competent to say my statement?

SharonHe said:

Am I not allowed to share my opinion based on research, reviews etc etc?
Am I obligated to test a service in order to be competent to say my statement?

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Again, I was just asking a question.

I never said you could not share your opinion or were obligated to do anything to make your statement.