1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

I landed a job! (kinda)

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Jeppe, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. Jeppe

    Jeppe Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2012
    Messages:
    62
    Likes Received:
    88
    I had an interview yesterday with a Internet company and it went very well. They liked my skills and liked me, so they've decided to offer me a week long trial. If I get the job it pays £16K-£18K but if I performed well and met my targets I could see that very quickly becoming £25K+

    I won't tell you what the company does or what niche it's in but it's a pretty big, spent £500,000 on Google Adwords alone last year. The company currently turns over £6m. Speaking to one of the directors (there's two) the companies's 10 year goal is to sell the company for £20 million. I'll be 32 by that time and most likely go my own way and into my own venture (with the amount of knowledge - skill I'll have).

    I'll still be doing my own stuff too, my goal is to make an additional $5,000 - $10,000 per month on top of my salary. Very close to this already.

    I've been toying with the idea for a while of getting a job with a big player and learning how to build a real business online. Seems that plan is now starting to work.

    Just thought I'd share a small success story, obviously nothing is set in stone yet. But, half the battle has already been fought!

    It's not all doom and gloom out there like the media would have us believe!

    Some tips for those looking for a job:

    1. Ask questions, like "where do you see the company in 3-5/5-10 years time" - not only will it make you look more intelligent it shows your interested in the company.

    2. If you're going for an IM role make and bring a portfolio and really make it look smart, pour all your IT skills into it!

    3. Do as much research into the company as possible, it impresses employers and if I was the one doing the interviewing it'd impress me too!

    4. Show what you can do for them, move the idea of you being a liability to becoming an asset of their organisation.

    Good luck!

    P.S. please excuse any grammar or spelling mistakes, I am dyslexic but I think I hide it very well! ;)
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2012
  2. bonzo90

    bonzo90 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    270
    Location:
    EU
    Good luck Jeppe, make it count mate, as long as you make a good amount of money on top of your day job, you will be laughing! Just dont let your boss catch you ;) lol
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  3. cocococo

    cocococo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2012
    Messages:
    911
    Likes Received:
    426
    they making 6million a year turn over and they want to hand over 16-18k a year to you eh? hmm what exactly is your job description. I think they taking you for a ride mate, that not exactly a small company, small company offering 18k not bad, but one turning 6M a year?
     
  4. JimmyWong

    JimmyWong Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    165
    Congrats Jeppe. I hope you enjoy it and gain some valuable experience.

    What sector is the job, give us a hint? :)

    eCommerce?
    Affiliate marketing?
    Voucher code?

    Am I close? :)
     
  5. Jeppe

    Jeppe Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2012
    Messages:
    62
    Likes Received:
    88
    I'll be part of the marketing team, so I'll be managing all the media buying and doing the email marketing. You're forgetting just how expensive doing business in the UK is, before you even make a penny you're having to fork out 20% VAT and then 20% corporation tax. Then you have the cost of marketing, the cost of staff. It all become very expensive very quickly.

    I don't think you realise or appreciate just how challenging 'real' business is. They'd be lucky if they made 10% net right now.
     
  6. JimmyWong

    JimmyWong Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    165
    Whatever way you look at it, £16k - 18k is pretty poor.

    A starting assisant salary at Affiliate Window is ~ £25k

    Even a jobsworth at a local council will get £16 > £20k.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  7. Jeppe

    Jeppe Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2012
    Messages:
    62
    Likes Received:
    88
    eCommerce. But they sell a consumer service not a physical product.

    The money right now isn't important as such, I'm after the job for the extra skills I'll learn. Hopefully I hope to build a company of my own in the future, you have to remember I'll know all their profitable traffic sources and the methodology behind everything they do.

    It's like oh come and watch how to build and run a multi-million pound company, oh and we'll pay you tens of thousands of pounds to do so.

    You'd have to be insane or stupid to say no, imo.
     
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2012
  8. JimmyWong

    JimmyWong Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    63
    Likes Received:
    165
    Definitley. I can see your point and that's why I think it's worth doing even on a short term basis just for the insight into the business. So on that note all the best of luck to you. Let us know how you get on.
     
  9. lakim0

    lakim0 BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2012
    Messages:
    903
    Likes Received:
    2,606
    £16K-£18K !!! :hitit:
     
  10. Jeppe

    Jeppe Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2012
    Messages:
    62
    Likes Received:
    88
    Exactly, I mean I know a lot. But I by no means claim to know everything. All my success has been emulating what other successful people have done. My motto is let them take the risk so you don't have to.

    I'm a pretty risk adverse person too, and a salary will add an extra layer of protection when IM income continues to be hit and miss. It also allows me to get out the house more, meet new people which will have positive impact on my physical and mental health. Long periods of isolation does take its toll on you after a while.
     
  11. sidnettwo

    sidnettwo Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2009
    Messages:
    135
    Likes Received:
    60
    You've got a great attitude and a great outlook on life. You're right, the money doesn't matter when you look at it the way you are doing. Best of luck.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  12. florflor

    florflor Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2008
    Messages:
    822
    Likes Received:
    307
    16-18 is awful but I've looked at the digital marketing market in the UK and that's pretty normal, I was shocked at how low they pay. It's quite different to the IM we know too because it's far less creative and much more about using tools, monitoring etc. Probably a great education in PPC though.

    So it sounds like you're working for an agency then? Because most companies outsource their digital marketing to agencies to do for them. Few handle it in-house, they just lack the expertise. Easier for them to hire someone else and say "give me this ROI" and that's all they care about, hence why most of it is PPC.

    If you're young then you have more patience and can work chump change. I recently quit a job because I'm too old to handle getting shit money to do shit work anymore. But when you're young and hungrier, you'll do almost anything!
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  13. ShadeDream

    ShadeDream Elite Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2008
    Messages:
    2,209
    Likes Received:
    5,230
    Location:
    He who laughs last, laughs longest.
    £16K-£18K isn't much at all but definitely much better than nothing. :)
     
  14. cocococo

    cocococo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2012
    Messages:
    911
    Likes Received:
    426
    Well i live in the UK and I also work for a media company too, granted am only few grounds away from your starting salary which is getting increased in a week time.

    But am telling you for a fact, corporation tax, all the tax bullshit, get taking into account, if you have a good accountant, and there is a huge profit margin in media company.

    Sales team get what your getting paid now, at the end of the day if experience is what your looking for go for it, me initially in my job it gives me experience on how to handle multiple clients, beside that, I brought my own experience learnt from different forum to the business.

    Edit to add, read other post where people saying money doesnt matter, maybe yes if your single, but when you have family of like 5, you would be saying otherwise that money matters.

    Anyway goodluck, and open your eyes as well.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  15. Jeppe

    Jeppe Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2012
    Messages:
    62
    Likes Received:
    88
    This isn't a media company and I know their margins are pretty tight, it's pretty competitive niche they're in. I also have no degree, so this job was won off my own merit with no help from a university degree. This was all my own making as such.

    Money is just a tool, I already own everything I've ever wanted. I like making money because I find still find it exciting. But spending money doesn't interest me as much, I'd much rather save and invest it.

    If I ever own a house it'll be an investment, and it'll have nothing in it apart from a blow up bed, sofa and my computer set-up. Including a few other bits and bobs all of which could fit into the back of a car. Also if you have absolutely zero crap in your house, like no TV for example (western addiction) it forces you to get out the house and go get a real life.

    We all work throughout the day, and then choose to lock ourselves inside all night like cage animals, I just think it's so sad. There's a whole world out there and so many things you can do that cost nothing. Instead of sitting even more in-front of the TV killing yourself.

    That's just how I roll.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2012
  16. cocococo

    cocococo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2012
    Messages:
    911
    Likes Received:
    426
    Call it media, digital marketing, online marketing company, everyone calls it differently, am not here to argue with you at all, just to say goodluck.
     
  17. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,468
    Likes Received:
    10,153
    +1000.

    Disregard what people think about your salary. As long as the job gives you a way to become better and expand your future options, it 's worth it.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  18. Jeppe

    Jeppe Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2012
    Messages:
    62
    Likes Received:
    88
    I agree, thanks a lot too. I think some people are forgetting the economic conditions we are in, and just how tough it is to hold down any job right now.
     
  19. yogib34r

    yogib34r Newbie

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2012
    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    7
    Congratulations on beating all the graduates and the more experienced candidates who are reducing salary requirements so they can get a job.

    In the UK 16 - 18 K is quite common for the type of job you are referring obviously depending upon experience. It is extremely difficult to get a job at the moment especially if you have less than 2 years experience. I suspect you are in a similar position to myself a few years ago with a lot of experience building and marketing sites so I had a great portfolio but not much in the way of work/office experience actually working for someone was my main problem. Personally I would grab the job with both hands and get as much experience as possible.